Emma Barnett interviews Endometriosis South Coast Steph Richards and Trustee Jodie Hughes

Ah thanks CriticalCondition. I’ll know for next time :)

Why?

If she said it, I would have taken it as expressing desperate need to escape feelings that are overwhelming. It's running away from extreme pain. It's so courageous to share something so personal and it's despicable for someone to trying to use that as a stick to beat her.

This was a watershed interview for me. It's the first time I've heard a journalist/presenter on totally mainstream media just not swallowing the nonsense. No deference, no special treatment.

I listened to it earlier today and thought Emma managed to passively aggressively wipe the floor with both of the guests. Well done Emma!

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Do not name check the sealion. Instead, respond to a depersonalised paraphrase:

"It is sometimes erroneously suggested that blah. Blah is wrong for the following reasons (short and pithy). If you need more information re. debunking blah, here's a link."

Then (this next step is important to combat derailment) go back up thread to the last useful contribution to the discussion, make sure you do name check that contributor, and pick up the discussion from that point.”
Bunbury’s is under attack so be on your guard - there be dragons looking for witches.
If you’re lurking, Bunbury was a fictitious person in the Importance of Being Earnest - whenever our hero wanted to get out of an unwanted social engagement he would claim to have to be visiting his sick relative Bunbury. Hence the rediscovery of hitherto unknown second wave feminist Germaine Bunbury, to indicate to posters that a thread may in fact constitute an unwelcome social occasion they might want to avoid (courtesy of FermatsTheorem)"

Bunbury is the name of an ailing fictional relative used by one of the characters in The Importance of Being Ernest as an excuse to get out of tiresome social encounters.

Germaine, blessed be her name, is a deity on this board. 😁

A while back the two were smooshed together as a FWR signal that a derailer might be present on the thread and posters interested in staying on topic might wish to disengage from them.

🙋🏻‍♀️ as a childless woman I’m not remotely insulted by what EB said (If she even said it) and read it as she would be looking to take an alternative path in life which many of us in the childless community do

It's quite a startling statement from a prominent female broadcaster. You'd think it would have been picked up on by other media sources.

What does this mean please?

If it were true Lotta, of which there is no evidence. People do feel shame when they have done nothing to be ashamed of, unfortunately. But Tinkly here asserts Emma feels this shame so badly as to consider leaving the country (no evidence supplied when pressed) and is thus a lesser person. Nice. What happened to “Be Kind” Tinkly?

I shall draw my own conclusions from the fact that Tinkly (a) can't back up their claim and (b) throws allegations of transphobic around.
Whatever Emma Barnett may or may not have said about the prospect of not being able to have children, it has zero relevance to the quality and content of the interview yesterday. She's a professional. She nailed it.

'If Emma felt shame about being childless why should anyone care? Shame is an emotion that we can’t control. The idea that EB was telling other women they should feel ashamed is patent nonsense'

Well said. I'm a childless/childfree woman myself, and I'm well acquainted with smug judgemental claptrap from some parents. I don't think that Emma's own personal shame, if that's what she felt, is a judgement on others at all

I think if you are going to use something she said against her, you should be able to prove she said it.
If I counter with "she definitely did not say this" then the burden is on you to prove that she did.

“I realise EB is deified here amongst the transphobia”

yeah. Ok.

I realise EB is deified here

Lol really?

Quite. One thing I’ve learned over the last few years is never believe anything negative anyone says about anyone unless you can actually see / listen to the source material in context. People misinterpret things all the time sometimes inadvertently but often through malice. Assertions by complete strangers on the internet count for nothing unless they come with receipts.

Well unfortunately hundreds of hours of podcasts aren't transcribed on the internet. I realise EB is deified here amongst the transphobia, but the fact is she said it.

Tinkly, if you’re going to bad mouth EB, have the hard evidence to back it up. Clearly you don’t, your wishful
thinking doesn’t count.

Malice because I didn't like someones comment. Right ok then.

You are as bad as the TRA types who don't brook any opposition to their views.

Nope it really isn't. I heard what she said and the implication was very clear.

Call bullshit all you like, but I know what I heard and I stand by my view.

Yes.

I call malice.

It’s convenient because all we have here is your spin on whatever it was EB said.

In your previous posts you have said that she stated that she felt shame around her childlessness. Your argument is that this implies she thinks that childless women should feel ashamed.

This is an incredibly bad faith interpretation and unless you can link the podcast I call bullshit.