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Emma Barnett interviews Endometriosis South Coast Steph Richards and Trustee Jodie Hughes

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ChristinaXYZ · 15/11/2023 13:42

You can listen here - it starts around the 22 minute mark.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m001scsj

Woman's Hour - Justice, endometriosis, and Minnie the Minx - BBC Sounds

Women's voices and women's lives - topical conversations to inform, challenge and inspire.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m001scsj

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Floisme · 17/11/2023 14:55

AIstolemylunch · 17/11/2023 14:51

Apologize for what? Doing their job, well for a change? Showing guest up as not being very well educated or informed? hurty words?

I have to admit, I can picture a scenario where the BBC do all of that, but I sincerely hope I'm wrong.

AIstolemylunch · 17/11/2023 14:51

Apologize for what? Doing their job, well for a change? Showing guest up as not being very well educated or informed? hurty words?

Floisme · 17/11/2023 14:48

I can't see EB apologising but I'm very interested to see whether the BBC will hold their nerve,

Fenlandia · 17/11/2023 14:41

Now I'm wondering if Emma Barnett will do one of those grovelling apologies, or carry on into the foothills of discovering how kiiiiind and inclusive trans activism really is.

Signalbox · 17/11/2023 14:37

So Steph doesn't even know the correct terminology for the conditions she is supposed to be advocating for? What a fucking fraud. She'll be blaming auto-correct on her mobile phone in about 10 minutes from now.

AIstolemylunch · 17/11/2023 14:32

No of course it doesn't. They got the word wrong. In an official public statement. These people do not come from a place of science or medicine. And that's not me being hateful. It's factual and self evident. And something that makes this CEO appointment even more puzzling.

As an aside, when did it become the case that people could start to describe themselves as 'researchers' and "does a lot of research for" without actually being involved in academic research? being able to Google a medical condition like endometriosis (and still getting most of it wrong) is not "being a researcher". And why are they trying to rebrand it as 'endo'? Some would see that as a cynical attempt to talk up the very soft side of the PhD in (or more accurately, tangentialy about) endometriosis that one of them is doing.

maltravers · 17/11/2023 14:30

BoreOfWhabylon · 17/11/2023 13:42

Steph has released a statement:

Sub text of Steph’s statement- unleash the flying monkeys! Recant heretic!

lechiffre55 · 17/11/2023 14:27

@BoreOfWhabylon 's post, images of Septh's tweets, last tweet.

"But please remember, endo does not discriminate...."

Ummm I think you'll find it does discriminate.
It's a women's issue, it affects females.
Just like prostrate cancer is a men's issue, it affects males.
If you don't understand why then perhaps you are not the right person for the job.

Mmmnotsure · 17/11/2023 14:25

Steph states that ‘endo does not discriminate’.
Steph is wrong.
’Endo’ only attacks women.

CriticalCondition · 17/11/2023 14:19

Well, no surprise that Steph doesn't like the words chestfeeder or menstrator. They don't include Steph.

Signalbox · 17/11/2023 14:14

BoreOfWhabylon · 17/11/2023 13:42

Steph has released a statement:

Is adenometriosis even a thing?

Or is this just different terminology for adenomyosis?

CriticalCondition · 17/11/2023 14:01

I see Steph still can't get Emma's name right.

RoyalCorgi · 17/11/2023 13:44

I suspect this one might be a social sciences based one so the criteria may be different.

Jodie's LinkedIn says she has a BSc in nutrition and health from the University of Roehampton - so at the softer end of the biological sciences.

BoreOfWhabylon · 17/11/2023 13:42

Steph has released a statement:

Emma Barnett interviews Endometriosis South Coast Steph Richards and Trustee Jodie Hughes
Emma Barnett interviews Endometriosis South Coast Steph Richards and Trustee Jodie Hughes
Emma Barnett interviews Endometriosis South Coast Steph Richards and Trustee Jodie Hughes
teawamutu · 17/11/2023 13:37

Just listened again. I did particularly enjoy EB's tone when the 29 men with endometriosis were cited. Just the repetition of the number conveyed worlds of meaning <chef's kiss>

AIstolemylunch · 17/11/2023 13:17

Very I unusual. In my day you wouldn't get withing sniffing distance of a funded PhD unless you had at least been named on one of your Bsc final year thesis project lab's papers as a contributor. And you'd be expected to have published at least one as a main contributor during the first couple of years of your PhD. I only know about science based PhDs though, I suspect this one might be a social sciences based one so the criteria may be different.

MrTiddlesTheCat · 17/11/2023 13:12

RethinkingLife · 16/11/2023 23:05

Say Steph successfully gets a seat on a regional group, or a task force, suddenly there’s a tacit acceptance of (her/his) bona fides

Or that Jo or Steph leverages the existence of the charity to register as a stakeholder for NICE guidelines about the diagnosis and management (treatment) of endometriosis for use in the NHS. That would include the recommendations for the diagnostic pathways. Ditto for registering in a similar manner for NHS specialised commissioning services for women's health (or would that speciality disappear in this brave new world?).

And build on that presence in a national guidelines committee for consensus statements or guidelines in international organisations dedicated to endometriosis and adenomyosis or, more widely, women's health.

This is how the revision of DSM happened…

This is similar to how some parents and people in the arena of autism and ADHD feel that activists/self-diagnosed people are appropriating the bulk of the research/services money to the needs of themselves and other high-functioning people and away from those who need research or services most.

Capture the research, clinical guidelines and healthcare regulatory or commissioning organisations and, as WPATH shows, you can achieve truly eye-watering things.

In this case there is apparently no research. DH, a scientist/academic, has taken a look and he says it's unusual that Jodie has published no academic papers at all. She has 3 listed, but when you look into them they do not constitute research. Two are summaries of conference contrubtions and one is a poster displayed at a conference. The masters is a taught masters, not a research based masters.

He takes the lack of evidence of research and the vague description of the field to mean it's a self-funded, political appointment and that this person is over egging the custard in what they present themselves as.

It's then quite worrying that their academic listing shows more media output than research. And also acting as adviser on various committees.

ArthurbellaScott · 17/11/2023 12:37

AIstolemylunch · 17/11/2023 10:40

The men they referred to don't have endometriosis, as they are men, without uteruses or the lining of said uteruses - the endometrium. Endometrial cells from here cause endometriosis, in women with uteruses. Endometrial cells are a type of Epithelial cell, of which there are many types in all bodies, of both sexes. They line things, like organs and blood vessels https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK559063/#:~:text=Epithelial%20cells%20are%20among%20the,physiological%20functions%20in%20different%20organs.
Epithelial cells have the ability to move or migrate, in some circumstances, and hence are implicated in lots of human 'inappropriate growth' conditions, like endometriosis in women, some forms of cancer, warts etc.

29 men have a similar condition to endometriosis where a similar type of epithelial cell from somewhere else in their body (not endometrial cells from the endometrial lining of their uteruses, because they don't have them) behave is a similar 'migrating to the wrong place' way and cause a similar 'clogging up' issue to endometriosis. This is not endometriosis, because they're not misbehaving endometrial cells and calling it endometriosis in men is a misnomer. It's like saying that men get ovarian cancer or women get testicular cancer. Similar, related, same type of tissue involved, yes, but the sex-specifc version, and not the same disease with not the same prevalence, treatment, progression, survival rates etc because found in the very different hormonal and genetic context of the 2 different sexes. As evidenced by the fact that Steph and Jodie can only find 29 men with this condition, as opposed to the millions that suffer from endometriosis.

Perhaps, given Steph's lack of credentials and the charity's small size and modest funding, it could be more usefully repurposed to support the 29 men with this distressing condition. As Steph's only motivation is a passionate desire to help people who are suffering, Steph could probably do a lot of good here raising the profile of this condition in men and transwomen, who Steph is also passionate about.

Fantastically clear and useful, thank you.

As ever, I learn more on Mumsnet than I ever could imagine learning from a trans activist claiming to represent women.

BoreOfWhabylon · 17/11/2023 12:18

Sadly, Steph did not seize the opportunity to educate the listening public on the subject of endometriosis. but chose to concentrate on Stephself.

BoreOfWhabylon · 17/11/2023 12:06

Just before the WH interview, at around 0925 on Tuesday, Steph appeared on Nick Ferrari's show on LBC. I've just listened (you need the Global Player app).

Ferrari was insufficiently informed about endo or about Steph's background to do more than suggest that, being a transwoman, Steph woould never be able to experience endo and so might not be best placed to head such a charity. Steph was, of course, easily able to bat away such mild questioning and got a very easy ride indeed. Ferrari, like so many male interviewers when dealing with trans issues, tiptoed around, trying desperately to not say anything that might cause offence.

I'm sure Steph bounced in smug triumph from that to WH. Must have been a helluva shock to come up against a forensic and challenging interviewer who had done her research on Steph's activism and knew far, far more about endo than Steph ever could.

Signalbox · 17/11/2023 12:06

RethinkingLife · 17/11/2023 11:34

trans activists which is off the scale (evidenced by the growing number of convictions/ cautions etc.)

I'm not familiar with any of them being convicted/cautioned for abuse-related activities, so it's interesting to know that. (Genuine, I haven't been keeping track.)

These are the ones that immediately come to mind. I'm sure there are others...

Tara Wolfe

https://www.feministcurrent.com/2018/04/27/trans-identified-male-tara-wolf-charged-assault-hyde-park-attack/

Cathy Brennan

https://www.scotsman.com/news/scottish-news/feminist-speaker-julie-bindel-attacked-by-transgender-person-at-edinburgh-university-after-talk-545841

Joanna Cherry

https://www.thenational.scot/news/19480206.grant-karte-sentenced-sending-threatening-messages-joanna-cherry/

Unnamed man (Scotland received caution for assaulting a woman)

https://unherd.com/thepost/police-scotland-stands-by-as-feminist-is-attacked/

Sarah Jane Barker (recalled to prison for breaching parole conditions)

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12307299/transgender-activist-sarah-jane-baker-recalled-prison.html

Trans-identified male, Tara Wolf, convicted of assault after Hyde Park attack

Jen Izaakson reports from the courtroom, as Tara Wolf is tried for assaulting Maria MacLachlan.

https://www.feministcurrent.com/2018/04/27/trans-identified-male-tara-wolf-charged-assault-hyde-park-attack/

AIstolemylunch · 17/11/2023 11:39

Not to me tuons Steph's

NovemberName · 17/11/2023 11:37

Yes it's a small charity but it is still a charity! Bound by processes and legislation! Plus one day it might become a large charity, as PPs have mentioned. Look at Mermaids.

It can be quite difficult to become a charity and most grifters will become a CIC, a lot easier.

Apart from the whole recruitment farce (did they do "Safer Recruiting"?) if I was a trustee I would also be very concerned about Conflict of Interest, as explained by the Charity Commission

  • Conflicts can affect all types of charities. But you must identify and deal with them properly. All of you must do this, not just the trustee with the conflict. Otherwise, you will not meet your joint legal responsibility to make decisions:* *• based only on what’s best for your charity • without influence from your personal interests

I'm sure no one would agree this appointment is best for the charity AND there was influence by Jodie's personal interests.

RethinkingLife · 17/11/2023 11:34

trans activists which is off the scale (evidenced by the growing number of convictions/ cautions etc.)

I'm not familiar with any of them being convicted/cautioned for abuse-related activities, so it's interesting to know that. (Genuine, I haven't been keeping track.)

Datun · 17/11/2023 11:34

Signalbox · 17/11/2023 11:17

I feel sorry for women because I would have loved to be able to explain more about endometriosis.

Oh God how narcissistic do these words sound? “I feel sorry for women because they didn’t get to hear me waffle on about something I learned about from Googling it last week”.

Just imagine having to learn about your medical condition from a person who uses women’s health as a way to validate their own identity and to push a political ideology into the mainstream. I actually think that the internet would be the better option.

Yeah! Trying to take the moral high ground 🤣

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