Emma Barnett interviews Endometriosis South Coast Steph Richards and Trustee Jodie Hughes

"We have to re-brand as something that men can have to be taken seriously by the MALE system of medicine..."

EB to Steph: "...do you not see by even in your first interview on Women's Hour raising this about men and about those who don't call themselves women that you are already becoming a figure who is a transactivist at the head of a women's charity..."

Spot on Emma

Apart from the fact the Steph is male, he is also a really crap spokesperson, so why was he actually hired? Well done Emma 👏

Yes the mask slipped there, didn’t it. Not just Steph calling Stonewall a Trans charity but Jodie saying endometriosis is too gynae focused. I mean we can’t leave out the the menz now can we?

Yes this! All in a context where they should have gone "AMAB" if they were truly "inclusive." (Also, didn't I read somewhere those exceedingly rare cases of endo in males are often tied to female hormones? So screwing over both TW and TM...)

'It also sounds to me like he gives Nancy "Keeleigh" as the ex head of Stonewall in an example'

Yep, he does 🙄

Just listened on BBC Sounds - oh yes very enjoyable - good questioning there from Emma 😁

It also sounds to me like he gives Nancy "Keeleigh" as the ex head of Stonewall in an example. He can't even get her name right.

EB doesn't half shred them to bits with such a calm and reasonable manner but with very probing questions.
As others have already said the whole Emma: 'Do you think someone who isn't trans can run a trans charity?' section is particularly eye rollworthy.
When EB pushed them on the use of the word woman was another example of the two interviewees floundering well out of their depth.
"You do not have to have a womb to have endometriosis" - Jodi Hughes
It just gets worse and worse the longer you listen.

Is that 29 men, in the whole world, ever, with a recorded diagnosis of endo?

Emma: 'Do you think someone who isn't trans can run a trans charity?'
Steph: 'Well, yes, look at Nancy Kelley at Stonewall!'
Emma: 'Stonewall isn't just a trans charity.'
Steph: 'Um...'

Hahahaha seriously?

Emma: 'Do you think someone who isn't trans can run a trans charity?'
Steph: 'Well, yes, look at Nancy Kelley at Stonewall!'
Emma: 'Stonewall isn't just a trans charity.'
Steph: 'Um...'

The very definition of saying the quiet stuff out loud. This is gold, I'm going to listen on catch up.

I wish Emma had asked if Steph knew how many women had it since he clearly knew how many men had it.

Steph was so passionate about endometriosis that they started off by rabbiting on for a long time about the prison service before belatedly remembering they were not on air to just open their mouth and expect to be listened to but to actually discuss the topic on hand.

Just listened on catch-up.

I was really pleased that Emma made the point that Steph’s appointment was about transactivism, not about women’s health.

If you replace Steph’s use of the word Feminist with Transactivist, then it becomes clearer. I’m going to pay attention more when these men use the word feminist, as really they are just trying to camouflage transactivism.

I guess I'm surprised he'd used the word men for the 29 males when any number of them could be trans.
They are both so careful not to say women have endometriosis but he said without faltering that 29 men have it. So easily...

It just made me wonder if the 29 was really about men.

Emma does have a point: why does endometriosis need to highlight everyone especially men to be taken seriously?

Emma: 'Do you think someone who isn't trans can run a trans charity?'
Steph: 'Well, yes, look at Nancy Kelley at Stonewall!'
Emma: 'Stonewall isn't just a trans charity.'
Steph: 'Um...'

The whole interview is cray-cray. Emma points out that Steph has made Steph's first interview on Woman's Hour all about the handful of men who have endo and the folx who don't identify as women. Then Jodie, the endo specialist, says, in a voice of almost hysterical exasperation, 'We need to move away from the gynaecological side of things...'

Please please someone transcribe it.

It's men with an endometriosis-type condition PatatiPatatras. Incredibly rare and only occurring in certain circumstances caused by particular medical conditions:

https://europepmc.org/article/med/4014886

He was trying to make the point that Emma Barnett was hoping he'd make. That given the choice he would make this about men, which is par for the course for a trans activist, thus confirming the criticism the charity have received, ie that it was unwise of them to appoint a trans activist as CEO.

Sorry, I can't remove the preview.

Endometriosis affects 190 million women worldwide and less than 20 (biological) men.

https://www.healthline.com/health/can-men-have-endometriosis

And whilst I have a huge amount of sympathy with those men, it is predominantly a women's issue.

'Emma did pretty well there I thought. The charity founder sounded like a woke idiot and the bloke was totally out of his depth.'

I agree. Very robust interview, Emma kept returning to the word 'woman' and why they seemed to have such a problem with it. Nice tone of 'WTF?' in her voice towards the end! What a pair of numpties

29 men with endo? Is that 29 males or 29 females with special exteriors? Or some ratio of the two?

He's trying to prove a point but I'm not sure which...

😂

Emma did a great job.

As did Steph and Jodie, but not in the way they intended.

Thanks for flagging this. It was an interesting interview.