Novel genital swapping procedure proposed

People keep saying Frankenstein, but the word that springs to mind for me is Mengele.

”The operation was successful, but the patient died” is a black humour surgery joke but one with an element of truth.

The butchers don't care. They consider a procedure "successful" when the patient didn't die on the table or from short term complications. Does not matter the long term consequences or if that person dies young and is miserable. They still consider it a success.

My friends kidneys were destroyed by her anti rejection drugs, she had to go onto dialysis and needed a new kidney.
So what’s the long term prospect for these young health patients who I assume will then take cross sex hormones which seem to be particularly bad for women. Won’t be young and healthy for long.

The NHS has no money yet this Frankenstein idea is proposed. Anyone wanting this should be made to pay privately.

Very interesting, I did not know uterus transplants were removed after delivery.

Presumably the same risks from taking immunosuppressant drugs long-term would apply to someone born male if they receive a uterus transplant.

This doctor seems to have had deliveries resulting from precisely one of each type of transplant (so far). I wonder what proportion of his similar transplants did not have this “very good result.”

To me, having these organs work “successfully” in transplants between people born of different sexes seems many times more complex than same-sex ones.

I presume he is referring to uterus transplants from women to women? Though uterus transplants are removed when the baby is delivered due to the long term risks of taking immunosuppressant drugs.

'Necrosis'

Is the single word that springs into my head.

No, just no! Organs are not like mechanical components that you can just unplug and plug back in.
It is wholly unethical to carry out such a dangerous procedure electively.
I can understand donor organs given to those who have lost genitals through trauma or disease, when the donor is clinically dead but where life is supported purely to allow for transplant donor purposes.
We really are entering Frankenstein territory with this, and the surgeons involved need serious reining in.
So many what if questions.
My first thought was the logistics of pairing up with a mutual consenting transplant partner. Since most of the individuals will have been on hormones for years, would their organs still function post transplant.
Also the endocrine system may not be able to support the new organs. The whole feedback mechanism that controls the very complex reproductive cycles which are very distinctly male and female may not work. I can only think that it would be like putting diesel in a petrol car.
It’s just a step too far.

This was on actual women not Transwomen.

The final bit of that article says that 81% of trans patients who've had genital surgery report experiencing pain just from moving around in the weeks and months following surgery.

Isn't that to be expected? If you chop up your genitals then it will be painful while it heals.

Good fucking point.

Interestingly Guardian seems to be full of " Why I'm no longer vegan" type articles. I wonder if the trans lobby know they need to detach themselves from anyone who cares about animal rights.

Yup. Important to cut them up before they reach full brain maturity and have an opportunity to rethink their life decisions and possibly find self acceptance for being gay / neurodiverse or whatever.

Oh yes, was focussing on the vaginoplasty rather than the swap. In that case I see your point.

They can use colon tissue.

cavuhb.nhs.wales/files/specialised-medicine/welsh-gender-service/intestinal-vaginoplasty-pdf/

Hang on a minute...

If these boys have been taking puberty blockers then they will have shrivelled, underdeveloped penises to give the girls, who will presumably have underdeveloped, infertile woman bits too.

So doesn't this surgery, not that I believe it's a viable option, rely on parents protecting their child's potential future fertility by not allowing them to take puberty blockers?

Otherwise they won't have something to contribute for this 2023+ edition of Swap Shop?

From the DM article

In recent years, he said he's successfully transplanted a uterus, ovaries, and testicles into his patients.
'From all of these three transplantations, we had a delivery. That is very good result,' he said.

What sort of delivery does he mean?

That's another thing - they usually do this stuff on animals first, but apart from that Chinese rat horror story I can't find anything about male or female genitals being successfully implanted into the opposite sex.

The leading US centre for penis transplants is Johns Hopkins www.hopkinsmedicine.org/transplant/programs/reconstructive-transplant/penis-transplant and they confirm it's in males only.

Is it just me or at a very quick glance does he look a little bit like Mr Bean?

I know (not well) a couple via a community group I'm in. A transman and a transwoman. I wonder if they'd be up for this?

But its frankenstein stuff isn't it?

It is bonkers, but there seems to be quite a few in the world of "aesthetic" surgery.

The ones that do terrible cutting edge facial surgeries on the mega rich which always look apalling on the early adopters, but give the surgeon practise to eventually get it right.

Obviously there's a similar impulse in those doing experimental surgery for other conditions such as burns, maxfax, ortho etc but those are last ditch attempts to improve life, not preying on the mentally unwell.

I guess people like him don't make the distinction, and neither do his patients, but hopefully someone will draw a line, if only the lawyers.

You're not wrong.

Perhaps they could work out a protocol for mutual brain swaps.

What a bonkers world when highly trained surgeons spend their time doing stuff like this, as if it wasn't bad enough giving people giant fake boobs, arses, hoiking faces up etc. There are people dying as they can't get lifesaving surgery.

Anyone else hearing echoes of 'Yeet the teet'?

I think he plans to fillet the vagina out of the transman and sew them shut. They've already talked about the need to do this with donor wombs - they want the cervix & vaginal canal to help with attaching it.

Most likely scenario is both parties end up with no genitals and peeing into a bag for the rest of their life when the rejection starts and they have to be removed.

I suspect this man is either a fantasist or a megalomanic, or both. He insinuates that he's already performed a successful womb transplant (yeah, on a female maybe). He says that the organs are "thrown away", yeah, maybe balls and wombs.

AFAIK a transman has never had an actual penis attached and I don't believe for a second that he wouldn't have been shouting from the rooftops if it had actually happened.