DD feeling bad after mis-gendering sub teacher.

This person says they're a man: 

No they don’t, that’s the whole point of being non-binary because they don’t like using pronouns which suggest gender.

No, as @CandyLeBonBon also pointed out, this isn't always the case. I'm not confused at all. I am very aware of these people and their lack of consistency.

@Night409

They wouldn’t not want to be called ‘her’ but then present themselves as a male.

Meet Danielle Muscato. A She/her. How would you know, at first glance, if this individual thought of themselves as a woman?

There seems to be an assumption this took place in a classroom with a single supply teacher standing in front of a board and 30+ seated kids for the entire lesson.

The tracksuit says PE teacher to me although school dress codes vary and I might be wrong.

We don't know the full facts, quite rightly so, but I can envisage a games lesson on a playing field for example with loads and loads of kids and other staff moving around where it would be possible to make a genuine mistake if the interaction was only fleeting.

I agree the sensible approach is the 'constructive feedback' one - suggest that teachers should always introduce themselves and that the 'snapping' was unprofessional and upsetting.

But that is the issue with the trans ideology - it is built on stereotypes.

If you are a biological female but like football, fancy girls and don’t like make up - then you must be born in the wrong body.

If you’re a biological male but fancy boys, like the theatre and don’t drink beer - then you must have been meant to be born a female.

There is absolutely no trans woman, who is trying to present themselves as a female, who would dress like a man - that wouldn’t make sense.
They wouldn’t not want to be called ‘her’ but then present themselves as a male.

A biological woman wanting to present as a man and be called a man, wouldn’t wear a dress, heels, make up and have long hair.

A biological man wanting to present as a women and be called her, would not have short hair and wear masculine clothes.

If this was a man in a dress it would be different, but it wasn’t.

Is it sexist or stereotyping - yes absolutely.

But that is the issue with the trans movement, it is built on sexist stereotypes.

Lol @Night409 you clearly haven't been keeping up with trends if you don't realise the shifting sands upon which the definition of 'nonbinary' is built.

There are a lot of people who claim the (actually impossible) state of non binary-ness who interchangeably use sexed vs neutral pronouns. It not your fault, the rules keep changing so I appreciate it's hard to keep up, but your binary definitions are actually inaccurate.

Even if this teacher had written 'Miss _' on the board, followed by preferred pronouns, students still might call this teacher sir. Because they can tell it's a man, so the cognitive dissonance made them slip up. Or they just said the wrong word, which happens to all teachers. Or they were unsure, and went with a best guess. Or you may always have one that is being deliberately rude.

The students aren't the issue. The teacher's reaction is. If dd's telling is corrsct, make a complaint.

No they don’t, that’s the whole point of being non-binary because they don’t like using pronouns which suggest gender.

Its ‘fisherthem’ not ‘fisherman’.

I think you are a bit confused about the difference between non-binary and trans.

Its a bit of a minefield and can be confusing.

This is a sensible approach.

The teacher could have, or rather should have, started the lesson by stating their name. E.g. "I'm Ms Spikyhair and I'm taking your class today". Or, write it on the board at the front of the classroom.
That would have been sensible.

Reading some of these responses I have realised that I am obviously not a female as I wear trousers but never wear make up.

Sorry you are Duran
Whoever you are quoting but not quoting is not sexist but identifying the sexism of gender ideology.

That is Duran point though. It is tw who are sexist by saying women have to dress a certain way. Men are men however they dress and women are women. Wearing a dress doesn't make you a woman. Having short hair doesn't make you a man. It is TRA who say it does and are sexist not Duran for pointing it out.

A non-binary person would be they/them they wouldn’t use the pronoun ‘she’.

Plenty of "non binary" people use either he or she, either instead of or in addition to they/them. You are uninformed.

It might slow it for 30 seconds but if the attendance officer can't cross reference who was allocated what class as supply and all staff can't immediately find where a kid is meant to be I'd be way more concerned.
You would not need the kids to give a detailed description, schools know who is where.

A non-binary person would be they/them they wouldn’t use the pronoun ‘she’.

I know many female teachers who go by Mx because they don’t like the Mrs/Miss and for letters/emails, so I assume a non-binary teacher would also use this.

A non-binary teacher not want to be called sir/miss or he/she because they apparently don’t have a gender 🙄

Most of these males are completely obvious males.

Those posters are actually women. You have zero way of knowing whether this was a woman, all you have is what OP's DD says.

Yes which is why OP posted on this thread and why some of these replies are so silly and completely ignoring all of the posters saying they’ve been called sir.

Yes trans people are shockingly sexist, especially tw who try to appropriate the oppressed sex rights. Why berate someone pointing that out? The whole movement is regressive and sexist and apparently allows men to tell off teenage girls and be praised for it. Like your dd and those girls Eddie Izzard told off in the toilets.

Are you and your great aunt biological males pretending to be women?

Don’t try and deflect by accusing me of being sexist, just because you have no good answer to what I’ve said.

Your DD made a mistake.
She didn’t get into trouble for it.
She doesn’t want you taking it further.
Just drop it and stop making it into something it’s not.

Your view on trans people is influencing your ability to think logically.

And you yours. You are uninformed about this subject in general and you weren't there. No one needs to listen to what you reckon about it. This is FWR, not AIBU, we believe women and girls here when they report things men have done. OP's DD thought this person was male, that's good enough for me.

So that's what kids are being taught in school nowadays? We're doomed.

OP you’ve said that the teacher had short hair and was wearing a tracksuit - do you really think a trans woman would have short hair and a tracksuit?
Of course not.

If this was a trans woman they would have make up on and be dressed obviously as a woman and make their pronouns known.

You are aware that "non binary" males exist? They don't always conform to the feminine stereotype, but plenty call themselves "she/they."