DD feeling bad after mis-gendering sub teacher.

It's certainly confused you.

Quite.

I agree, the whole "don't mis gender me" is all about attention

I don’t think he is interested in fishing at all. It’s just a way to get attention and boost his sales.

The fishing industry doesn't like being gender-neutralled, according to Fishing News

Anybody that uses the term "fisherthem" can't be that interested in fishing as there is already a "non-binary" term that they could use.

Well yeah that’s fair enough.

DD calls her sir and she gets told it’s miss.

Then another student calls her sir intentionally to be a dick and rightly so gets sent out for it.

I would have thought you would have found this out as soon as she told you yesterday tbh.

If your DD is adamant that this is a man and multiple students are getting into trouble for saying miss, then why would she not want it followed up?

At the very least you could enquires about the name of the sub, it would take the receptionist about 30seconds to check.

It's certainly confused you.

I'd be straight down to the school for an appointment with the head. If this really is man then the children are being reprimanded and made to feel ashamed for their honset recognition and response. Not acceptable.

I know of another MTF teacher who the girls ( all girls school) were supposed to call. 'Miss'. This teacher also ran a LGBT lunchtime club. The school is catholic and has a high percentage of Muslim pupils, and needless to say numerous complaints were made by parents. A bad decision in the first place, by the head, to appoint this person in such a context.

Another pupil was punished for it?

No wonder your DD was worried about repercussions that might have been coming.

This is so true. It is like some people haven't seen the plethora of she/thems or he/thems or the they/hers/his, the ones where you need to follow the correct order or you are hateful. But yep. Indeed, there are enough non binary people using sexed pronouns out there. Hard to miss it these days.

Which order did those incidents happen in? I'm guessing the other pupil was after DD, because of the harsher response of being sent out?

Also, did other pupils say Miss/perceive the teacher as a Miss, or did no other pupils apart from DD and the one boy use any form of address during the class? Does DD have the impression that the whole class read the situation the same way she did or was there any doubt/discussion?

I can't work out if you're being deliberately disingenuous or you're just naive!

Well she was being taught by a biological man, who needs to get used to the idea that people will mis-pronoun him unless he makes his preferences clear.

For a child to be told off about this is a disgrace and I would be feeding this back to the school. He is there to teach her his subject, not to plug his personal life.

It is appalling that young people are being caught in the crossfire of all this. Sometimes it is just a way of exercising control. It makes me shudder.

I speak as someone with a gender dysmorphic GC whom I love and respect. I get the pronoun "wrong" sometimes - we both have a laugh over it.

I’d just leave it obviously if there any great sanctions from it then I’d follow it up

tbh teenage kids can be vile so the teacher will have to shut this down hard in the first instance

I do understand that there are some people who like the idea of catching people out and chopping and changing their pronouns (I’ve created a thread about this myself a couple of years ago when I had to deal with this issue).

But this was a teacher who if they wanted to go by a certain pronoun would have said at the beginning of the class or used the DDs mistake as a way to talk about themselves and why they go by the pronouns they do.

No other student got it wrong and DD was not in trouble for it.

This was just a simple mistake by the DD and as PPs have said it does happen a lot in schools.

Not sure whether to laugh or cry at that!

I have an issue with stereotypes and young people thinking that liking X, Y and Z must mean they are a male/female.

So in theory, I should respect these people more but then I laughed and shook my head when I saw them 🤔

I can’t work out if this is better or worse.

It could well be that this was a PE teacher doing some general supply in addition to PE duties.

When I was working full-time, PE staff normally wore their tracksuits all day because there was no time to get changed if they were given a cover class in another department.

I've never known a female teacher to go by 'Mx' - only 'Ms'. I have seen a man who identifies as non-binary using 'Mx' in a school.

I've seen some "non-binary" men who have shared their pronouns online as 'They/She'. Rather confusing.

YY. Everyone who has ever walked on the earth is "non binary", we just don't give a label to our personality traits.

I'd argue that the majority of us are 'non binary' tbh. I don't identify as a woman, and often don't feel like I fit comfortably in the feminine category. I have some typically 'masculine traits' and imagine I'm very far from alone in that. Same for a lot of men I'd guess. So it's not really the special club these people seem to think it is.

I think what some posters are missing is that plenty of "non binary" people are the type of people who deliberately seek out conflict and control of others. Their rules are confusing because they want people to slip up. It's a power trip.

Tbh I think the teacher not providing his pronouns is a red herring. Our children aren’t there to be gaslit.

I’d be fucking blazing and the head teacher would be left in no doubt that my child was there to learn and not pander to a teacher’s personal indulgence. I’d actually want to say fetish or delusion, but I’d keep it polite.

This person says they're a man (sorry pic didn't attach last time!):