New statistics realised of reported murders of trans people

I've just been googling murder rates for women who work in prostitution. It's very hard to come by accurate figures, apparently, though this site suggests that prostitutes are 18 times more likely to be murdered than other people:

https://ellyarrow.wordpress.com/2021/03/29/who-is-killing-whom-where-how-and-why-in-german-prostitution/

And Brianna Grey was only one of the teenagers stabbed to death that week.

It is low if you include them.

320 trans people murdered worldwide in a single year is a tiny number.

As nauticant said, about half a million people are murdered worldwide every year.

If 0.5% of the population is trans, then you'd expect there to be 2,500 murders of trans people worldwide every year.

With that information in mind, 320 murders looks like a remarkably small number, suggesting that trans people are much less likely than other people to be murdered.

Of course, the big caveat here is that the 320 figure is likely to be wrong, because most countries probably aren't counting how many trans people are murdered - they simply record the numbers of males and females who are murdered.

Brazil has a really high homicide rate over 40000 people a year. I’m sure I read something along the lines that 1 in 5 murders in the world take place in this country. Any murder is horrific but all stats have to be considered in context.

Sorry, I missed you said women. Though the figures I found would still suggest it is an underestimate

You are an order of magnitude out; 470,000. Though another estimate puts it at 531,000 for 2020 and WHO put it at 651,000 homicide victims in 2017. On average the rate across the globe worked out around 6.1 per 100,000 in 2017, in El Salvador it is 61 per 100,000 per year. 90% of perpetrators were male and 80% of victims. Gang related violence is one of the biggest causes.

So it seems being trans still substantially reduces your risk of being murdered. Surprisingly they don’t seem to mention this.

Also, as noted, there is no evidence that they were murdered due to any phobia. None of the few trans people murdered in the uk over the last 15 years were murdered due to being trans. Drugs and domestic incidents were the main motivations.

Off the top of my head, nope. But of course there's reason for that. If the figures were accurately released no one could claim that the trans population are more at risk than anyone else.

It's wrong. Very wrong.

@Fififafa I didn't say it was trans related. Just that Brianna is the only trans person I'm aware of who was murdered in the UK.

I can't get riled up about this, 320 people globally is nothing in the grand scheme of things, more people get killed in random accidents in Wales in a year 🤷‍♀️ thousands have been killed in a few weeks in Gaza, so this is not a worrying statistic. The only trans person killed for years in the UK has been Brianna Grey and no-one knows the motivation for that one yet.

That makes more sense.

Trans activists tend to get angry when presented with arguments suggesting that the relative risk faced by trans people is actually lower than the general population. One would think they'd welcome such news but for some reason they want the risk faced by trans people to be higher. One could almost form the impression that their activism isn't about making life better for trans people.

If you took away the stats of the transpeople working as prostitutes then the murder rate for them is very low, that has to be good news surely?

Also How can 80% of murders be racially motivated? Is that all murders World wide? That's nuts, most people are killed by those close to them.

This news article has made a hash of reporting this, here's what TGEU originally said:

"Trans people affected by racism make up 80% of the reported murders, a 15% increase from last year."

So it's about this relatively small cohort, and they are assuming any murder of a PoC is related to racism.

Also How can 80% of murders be racially motivated? Is that all murders World wide? That's nuts, most people are killed by those close to them.

https://tgeu.org/trans-murder-monitoring-2023/

Here's a link to the report itself from TGEU (Transgender Europe).

They make the dubious suggestion that the figures are only disproportionately high in Latin America because the monitoring is better there, implying they are potentially equally high everywhere else as they are in say, Brazil, where a third of the murders take place.

The Trans Murder Monitoring data does not include all reported cases worldwide, as not all trans and gender diverse murder victims are identified as trans or gender diverse in reports of their death. These figures must therefore be understood in the specific social, political, economic, and historical contextss^ in which they occur.

The high number of murder reports from Latin America and the Caribbean can be considerably attributed to the existence of established monitoring systems in these regions. The majority of the data came from countries with strong networks of trans and LGBTI organisations that conduct the monitoring.

Yes, but the U.K. has that too and we have hardly any trans murders at all.

The trial into Brianna Ghey’s murder is due to take place in a couple of weeks time. Two 15 year old kids are being held, but the police aren’t stating a motive for the murder. We can’t at this stage say that the murder was Trans related.

But this thread is about the way the media report it - and this article wants to convince us that ‘whorephobia’ is a useful term (probably because it allows the pro-‘sex work’ lobby to ignore all the huge problems with their position and just blame ‘bigots’ for the dreadful outcomes for people who get entangled in the ‘industry’.

Exactly, if people truly want to protect trans people from violence, one of the best things they could do is work towards reducing prostitution and offering a way out of it for people.

I think you’ll find it is only a major event over here. Horrible thread.

This is one of the things used to emotionally blackmail women into letting males into their spaces, of course the figures are going to be scrutinised.

The total number of homicides globally is getting towards half a million.

If 320 trans people were killed globally that means of the total number of homicides, 0.064% of the victims were trans. We're often told that about 0.3% of the (Western countries) population are trans. On the numbers alone, this would not indicate that trans people are at greater risk of homicide than the global population in general.

All of this can be quibbled with, eg there are far fewer trans people than 0.3%, there's a large number of "hidden" victims. However, what's clear is that 320 victims is a small number on the scale of a global population.

The thread is about reported statistical data.

The individual murders are terrible. Goes without saying.

But this thread is about the way the media report it - and this article wants to convince us that ‘whorephobia’ is a useful term (probably because it allows the pro-‘sex work’ lobby to ignore all the huge problems with their position and just blame ‘bigots’ for the dreadful outcomes for people who get entangled in the ‘industry’).

How can data be collected accurately when you have no definition of the meaning of words.

I think that part of it is an intention to muddy the waters, to sweep as many victims under the umbrella as possible, to reinforce the "most vulnerable, most oppressed," propaganda.

And I'm not saying that to belittle the unfortunate victims.

Why is it that 320 Trans people killed globally is considered a major event?
I think you’ll find it is only a major event over here. Horrible thread.

”or we could just admit that ‘sex work’ is dangerous.”

I feel this would be valuable.

I don’t know how anyone can chant about trans rights then turn a blind eye to the harms of the sex trade, even if they don’t care about women you’d think this would give pause for thought.

What does gender diverse mean? Loads of my friends don't subscribe to gender stereotypes but they're not trans. They're just women who dress as they please and have a variety of interests and hobbies.

How can data be collected accurately when you have no definition of the meaning of words.

Between 44 and 90 people are murdered PER DAY in the United States alone. 21,570 murders in 2020. This is in one country.