New statistics realised of reported murders of trans people

From the article.

The vast majority of victims identified as trans women or trans feminine people and most of the murdered people were under 25 years old.

Young men, then. The same group who are at increased risk of death by murder.

Why should I interpret this data in terms of gender identity and not sex? What evidence is there that the higher murder rate among young trans-identifying males is purely due to transphobia, and not any of the other reasons why young men get murdered?

The truth is that the real numbers are probably much higher.

That's the case for everyone. In Latin America, lots of people just disappear.

This list also has several people on it who died in a shootout with the police, and someone who was killed when a truck "failed to stop at an intersection". In the past, they've been called out for including some suicides.

So I'm not sure whether it will be "much higher" in a relative sense, we have no way of knowing.

As I said below when I quoted the section you quoted, it seems like they are trying to insinuate that the only reason that the murder rates are so high in Latin America compared to the rest of the world is because they are better at monitoring. I think that's a huge reach. Those countries are dangerous for everyone, and the trans murder rate is always less than the general population, or other males, in every set of figures I've seen. And in countries like the U.K and Ireland there are virtually no murders of trans people at all. Scotland for instance hasn't had one in decades (possibly never one recorded there at all, o can't remember)

Also if no one actually knows people identify as "trans" to notify the police etc, then it's much less likely that their murder is due to transphobia. A lot of this is more homophobia than anything else.

@RoyalCorgi I had a conversation with a bloke about this once. It went like this.

Me: I just don't believe that the murders of trans people are going unreported in the UK.
Him: Of course they are. Many trans murder victims are not identified as trans in the statistics.
Me: How? The police are constantly out waving trans flags and investigating "transphobic stickers". Some police forces have erroneously tweeted that misgendering is a hate crime. Are you seriously suggesting that when a trans person calls them to report stickers or misgendering they take it seriously but when a trans person actually winds up dead they misgender them and deadname them and record them in the statistics according to their birth sex? That doesn't make sense.
Him: The police don't know whether a dead person was trans.
Me: Huh? You think that the police are capable of investigating someone's murder, which will involve interviewing their friends, family and employer and combing through all their communications including their phone, social media and internet history, would not realise the victim was trans?
Him: Not all trans people are out. Their family and employer might not have known they were trans.
Me: What about their friends? The trans community is pretty close knit. Wouldn't they be super vocal about the murder of one of their own?
Him: They might not be out to anyone, including their friends.
Me: So... their family doesn't know they are trans. Their employer doesn't know they are trans. Their friends don't know they are trans. The police officer investigating their murder who has full access to all their devices doesn't know they are trans. How does their murderer know they are trans?
Him: The murderer might not know either.
Me: So what does their murder have to do with them being trans?

Doesn't it just! Whorephobia! FFS.

It's bizarre that the headline on that Yahoo article is "Trans murders remain at ‘consistently high level’ as Trans Awareness Week begins" when it would be more accurate to say, based on those figures, that reported trans murders remain at a remarkably low level.

Having said that, the article does go on to say:

"Their data does not include all reported cases worldwide. The reason? Not all trans and gender-diverse murder victims are identified as such in reports of their death.
"The high number of murder reports out of Latin America and the Caribbean are, TGEU says, easily attributed to the existence of established monitoring systems in these regions.
"The majority of the data used by the organisation came from countries with strong networks of trans and LGBTI organisations that conduct the monitoring."

The truth is that the real numbers are probably much higher. However, there are two problems collating those numbers. One is that national datasets don't identify victims by their trans status, so you're reliant (as the article says) on pressure groups monitoring the numbers through eg newspaper reports.

The other problem, of course, is that there is no clear, uncontestable definition of the term "trans." How do we know if someone is trans or not? If we assume that a trans person is anyone who says they're trans, we don't get very far.

It's a hamfisted attempt to reclaim the slur.

It looks like the word prostitute has been queered.

Oh thanks. I did a word search in the report but for some reason it didn't pick the word up and I wondered whether it had been edited but now I see it is there.

Isn't "whore" a slur? I can't get my head round the idea that we are supposed to say "sex worker" rather than "prostitute", but the word "whore" is apparently OK.

What do you mean by "only a major event over here"?

The total number of homicides globally is getting towards half a million. - This is widely quoted on the Internet.

320 trans people - This subject of this thread.

0.064% of the victims were trans - 320 divided by half a million expressed as a percentage.

We're often told that about 0.3% of the (Western countries) population are trans. - This is widely quoted on the Internet.

It's in the OP. A quote from the report.

Where is this word used please?

Could you explain how you got to those numbers please?

It's very convenient for certain types of men that the clear dangers of working as a prostitute have been deliberately fudged, isn't it?

All murders are awful on an individual level but these stats just show that trans people are a statistically safe demographic.

So why are we making women less safe to accommodate them?

We can't as yet say it was murder, either. Until the court case is closed two people have been accused of murder but not yet tried. Please be careful about what is said when a case is yet to go to court.

So Brianna Grey was likely one of 60ish teenagers to die that year.

Brianna Ghey was one of two British 16 year olds to die by stabbing on the same weekend.

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/crime/andy-wood-chelmsford-murder-inquiry-essex-police-b1060320.html

I wonder what the number would be if you remove those linked to drugs, gangs and prostitution. I suspect the best way to tackle trans murders is to crack down on these (using the Nordic model for prostitution and tackling the buyers).

In terms of prostitution, it is the commodification of people’s bodies. Once you think it is ok to buy the use of someone’s body, the steps to murder are pretty small.

Surely this data is absolutely useless without comparative data? A certain number of trans people were murdered. Ok, this tells us nothing. Is it more less or the same as killings from a similar non trans demographic?

@Rightsraptor, sex work is work for women and tragic consequences are just part of the job. For trans people, sex work is validation! This makes tragic consequences even more tragic! Trans lives matter (so much more than women's lives)!

I was referring more to the press coverage rather than the motivation behind the crime. We don't hear of the majority of murders.

In Brianna Ghey's case the kids were all 15/16 and known to each other, if memory serves. Given the horrendous rate of kids of that age slaying each other, this case could well be another and the trans issue was irrelevant. Or maybe not, we'll find out.

I always get the vibe from articles like this that the murder rate of prostituted trans women is shocking and to be deplored, but for women in the trade it's an acceptable risk. Because sex work is work, right? For us, that is.

Many I suppose were gang related, where as Brianna was an innocent white person

We do not know the motivations in this case.

I think murdered for being trans usually means angry male punters killing prostitutes they had assumed to be female, who turned to have a penis.

Obviously men shouldn't murder people they feel have called their sexuality into question (but they do), and shouldn't rent other people's bodies for sex purposes (but they do). Since everyone knows they do, it's very unwise for any trans prostitute to conceal their real sex - it's mis-selling at best, and very dangerous in this context.

On top of that, we know there are men for whom sex is linked with extreme violence and murder. Most such men choose prostituted victims. You can call this whorephobia if you like, but it's actually a homicidal kink.

None of this is specific to trans people.

On the UK front...

The last year I could find statistics for (21-22) was 69 murders of teenagers. Its a pretty consistent number unfortunately.

So Brianna Grey was likely one of 60ish teenagers to die that year. Every one of those is one too many. But we only hear of a few. (Many I suppose were gang related, where as Brianna was an innocent white person)