Non Binary Gym Changing Rooms

I admire your equanimity, OP, as that’s made me quite angry. He has no idea - none - of what this means to women, is being told, & is dismissing it.

This shows the damaging potential of that ridiculous „wheel of privilege“ mentality which disappears sex entirely or places it below gender identity, & suggests that a few simple sums can determine who is Worthy. I’d quote him back at himself in a „for the record“ email, then share sexual assault statistics with him, & ask where those women stand on his tidy ladder of privilege, as well as how he plans to distinguish that particular quarter to third or so, is it?, of „middle-class white women“ from the other two thirds or so - or whether he expects them to declare themselves on arrival or resign their membership entirely. Or maybe he thinks they’re privileged, too. Which is it? Not that it should be remotely relevant whether a woman has that history or not, but it may get through to him that he’s on thin ice.

I wonder what the local press would make of it?

Could you email him a summary of your discussion so he can see what he said in black and white and note in the email that you'd appreciate his confirmation that the email accurately reflects the discussion.

He's disgusting. Just because those types of women aren't the most persecuted in the whole entire world doesn't mean it's ok to shit on them and tell them to just stfu about everything.

With unisex facilities quite effectively excluding large numbers of women, particularly the marginalised ones.

I say again.

Dickhead. So fed up with these self righteous fools busily exercising all their prejudices and snobbery while congratulating themselves on their 'open mindedness'.

Good grief the misogyny and prejudice there.

Hence Kemi Badenoch's letter this week pointing out, in essence, protected characteristics and legal protections do not just belong to your personal special pet groups, and if you fuck about with equality to virtue signal your insurer's bum may be bit quite hard.

So glad only middle class white women (which he appears to be saying to rhyme with 'scum') with no cultural or faith based or disability based or other disadvantages are his customers - although how enthusiastically they'll stay his customers when they realise his attitude to women, I couldn't say. Rather like his 'selected jolly good lovely men' who will be bringing their penises into women's spaces, possibly he's another Layla Moran and has vetted them all personally.

Dickhead.

If gyms want unisex changing then they need cubicles with lockable doors, then I have no issue. Ditto showers with lockable doors and toilets with sink in the cubicle.

But if unisex means men coming into the ladies open changing then no, not right!

Actually, I now realise that is what he's done, which is why you're complaining.

But I'm sure some people haven't really taken it in.

Don't they still need to advertise that sometimes these changing rooms are going to be mixed sex?

Aren't middle class white women quite a key customer?

His did you feel after the call took place?

Middle class white women? So he assumes that no non-white women at the gym will have a problem with this? Or are they simply irrelevant?

This neatly illustrates why we needs rights and safeguarding codified into clearly written laws.
Without them policies are written on unfounded beliefs about the supposed privilege of women.

Well done OP. The CEO couldn’t have been more clear that they don’t give a shit about women. Trans activism is an opportunity for people to express their misogyny with confidence 😡 Glad you got your money back.

And will they be expected to pay the same fees as those belonging to the luckier groups without protected characteristics/don't mind getting stripped in front of random men, who get fully equipped proper changing rooms?

A third space with larger than normal sized cubicles would above all provide somewhere for a parent and child, or someone who uses a stoma bag, or another condition where they would need extra space to maintain privacy. Not just anyone who wishes to be known by other than their sex at birth.

You can just see it, huddles of cold, dripping women in the foyer waiting to get changed in the disabled toilet because their changing room has got blokes in it. That's going to go down like a cup of cold sick.

obviously the person with disabilities would have priority, the person wanting special treatment would have to wait (I'm imagining them wrapped in a towel getting chilly after a swim)

people unhappy changing in the space for their sex are welcome to access the disabled toilet where they can change in privacy

If an actual disabled person wants to use it, that will cause issues. It's not a good enough solution, imo, women are entitled to their own changing rooms and shouldn't be fobbed off with disabled toilets/broom cupboards.

surely the question now is what are the times when the changing rooms will be mixed sex?
If its only once a week for an hour then I'd be inclined to let it go provided this was clearly advertised AND it wasn't the only opportunity for a certain class. EG they do this on tuesdays 7-9 pm but that's also the only time they do a Pilates class.
But if its random and more frequent then they are disadvantaging and hence discriminating against women who have a reasonable expectation of a single sex changing room.
I wonder if this is turning out to be more troublesome than they expected. They might welcome the solution that 'people unhappy changing in the space for their sex are welcome to access the disabled toilet where they can change in privacy, simply ask staff who will be happy to help'