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Miriam Margoyles on pronouns

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ArthurbellaScott · 12/11/2023 15:27

'Whatever they want me to say, I'll say it'

Noting Boy George is on the seat with her. A man convicted for false imprisonment and torture.

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DeadBugMountainClimber · 27/11/2023 11:50

“The tide has turned now”.

What tide? I was merely pointing out that the ‘doctor’ title actually belonged to PhD holders long before it was associated with medics.

It wasn’t a comment about the integrity of PhD’s or Maddy70’s opinions on politeness around pronouns.

SirChenjins · 26/11/2023 21:45

Yes that’s true, but the tide has turned now that PhDs are far more accessible.

DeadBugMountainClimber · 26/11/2023 14:00

Firebug007 · 26/11/2023 07:26

Clearly a PhD, probably in a niche field going by your ill thought out post, and not an actual doctor 🤣😆

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What a bizarre post.

PhD holders are ‘actual doctors’, they are actually the only true doctors (which is a term relating to teaching & scholarship and linked to doctorate level study). Medical doctors adopted the term about 500 years after academic scholars.

Froodwithatowel · 26/11/2023 09:29

Catsanfan · 26/11/2023 06:32

Christ only knows, given the stupid woman apparently wanked off a soldier in a tree 🤔

Well. Is very much enjoying the shock and attention garnered by claiming this, yes.

This entire belief system provides a really lovely vehicle for people to get their issues and behavioural challenges out and give them a good ride around.

Firebug007 · 26/11/2023 07:26

Maddy70 · 12/11/2023 16:09

I'm a "Dr" I never use that as I think it's massively pretentious, but lots of my peers do, are they wrong to use that?

It's called being polite. In company, you should always try to make the people you are with comfortable. Who cares what they like to be referred as. Just be nice and civilised

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Clearly a PhD, probably in a niche field going by your ill thought out post, and not an actual doctor 🤣😆

Catsanfan · 26/11/2023 06:32

Christ only knows, given the stupid woman apparently wanked off a soldier in a tree 🤔

cariadlet · 26/11/2023 05:05

The non-binary bullshit at the end of the Dr Who episode was also awful.

Nicesalad · 25/11/2023 23:26

Having never come across a doctor only space I could find comment. However I'm fairly sure I wouldn't notice or care

Have you ever come across in a situation that you assumed would be doctor only? I think it would be fair to say that most people actually would notice and care if they were having surgery performed by a person who wasn't actually a doctor, but said they felt like one.

FlirtsWithRhinos · 25/11/2023 22:43

Oh that's a shame, I was looking forward to it.

Got to say I watched some of the old Tennant DrWhos recently and they haven't aged well. All those pretty young blonde women. Dr Who writers seem to suffer from the same limited imagination as Joss Wheedon - can imagine a feisty kick ass woman but can't imagine her not being young, pretty, blonde and ultimately in the service of a man. (Donna was great but they'd never have cast CT if that one off special hadn't done so well, and in that they had originally made her character just dim).

TheDogthatDug · 25/11/2023 22:24

When Rose asked Meep about pronouns, Jesus wept...

NeighbourhoodWatchPotholeDivision · 25/11/2023 22:19

MarilynBoo · 25/11/2023 19:47

She was the voice of Meep in tonight's Doctor Who, which was basically one long advert for trans ideology. So now we know why she was wanging on in favour of pronouns - money.

That episode was so much worse than I thought it would be.

RedToothBrush · 25/11/2023 19:54

CheesyJacketPotato · 19/11/2023 23:22

I wonder if Miriam would shag a trans woman who said they were a lesbian too. Just to be polite...? Hmmm me thinks not.

MM and the word polite in the same sentence is not something you see often...

MarilynBoo · 25/11/2023 19:47

She was the voice of Meep in tonight's Doctor Who, which was basically one long advert for trans ideology. So now we know why she was wanging on in favour of pronouns - money.

CheesyJacketPotato · 19/11/2023 23:22

I wonder if Miriam would shag a trans woman who said they were a lesbian too. Just to be polite...? Hmmm me thinks not.

Froodwithatowel · 19/11/2023 11:40

That's well explained.

I am already being (extremely) polite by going to the effort of using a name instead of an unwanted pronoun. I require reciprocal respect and politeness of not demanding that this is not good enough and I must lie on command. If that isn't happening then the deal's off and I'll use my own choice of language.

Yllasin · 19/11/2023 10:32

UnremarkableBeasts · 12/11/2023 19:40

Personally, I simply don’t care what pronouns people use when they’re talking about me. And I don’t get to insist that they are kind, complimentary and positive in how they talk about me either.

If someone says to a friend ‘god Unremarkable is an absolute shit, isn’t s/he?’, they’re entitled to. Which pronoun they used makes no difference to any of it.

Generally it’s not that polite to talk about people in front of them. People would generally be addressing me directly - using my name or you. Or you’d say something like ‘I think Unremarkable has the salt’ rather than ‘I think she has the salt’. Because the latter isn’t all that polite polite. (Obviously there are polite ways to be using third person pronouns with the person they refer to there too - but it’s really not the massive deal that people make about it if someone refers to you as ‘he’).

My toddler is in an everyone/everything is ‘he’ phase of learning pronouns. So I’m frequently ‘misgendered’ in an adorable manner.

I agree. I've talked a little with my adult offspring about this, who live in Brighton and tend towards the "be kind" option. The furthest I will go, is to use the person's name if referring to that person in the third person. It's a little clumsy sometimes but can usually be managed. I will not refer to a born male as 'she' or 'her'.
I also spend time with an older man who had a stroke, which results in frequent incorrect words emanating from his mouth unintentionally. Would these zealots be kind to a stroke victim, one wonders. 🤔

Datun · 19/11/2023 09:23

I'd set a lot more store by people claiming it was polite, civilised and kind to use pronouns, if we didn't all know that if you don't, you get abused, ostracised, disciplined, or arrested.

ApocalipstickNow · 19/11/2023 09:20

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Datun · 19/11/2023 09:17

ArthurbellaScott · 12/11/2023 23:00

I'm still processing the soldier wank.

Me too. How did she know he was 'struggling to finish'? What does that even look like?

floranginajelly · 19/11/2023 05:04

@Maddy70
"The principle is the same"
So I (with no doctorate or MD qualification) can identify as as"Dr" and you'd refer to me as such?

WrongSwanson · 18/11/2023 08:22

Maddy70 · 12/11/2023 16:09

I'm a "Dr" I never use that as I think it's massively pretentious, but lots of my peers do, are they wrong to use that?

It's called being polite. In company, you should always try to make the people you are with comfortable. Who cares what they like to be referred as. Just be nice and civilised

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I'm not a Dr but would like you to address as me as Dr Wrong Swanson because that is what would make me feel comfortable. Thank you for being so nice and civilised

WrongSwanson · 18/11/2023 08:22

Maddy70 · 12/11/2023 16:09

I'm a "Dr" I never use that as I think it's massively pretentious, but lots of my peers do, are they wrong to use that?

It's called being polite. In company, you should always try to make the people you are with comfortable. Who cares what they like to be referred as. Just be nice and civilised

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I'm not a Dr but would like you to address as me as Dr Wrong Swanson because that is what would make me feel comfortable. Thank you for being so nice and civilised

Poudretteite · 18/11/2023 08:14

Maddy70 · 12/11/2023 16:19

Yes ,(and snigger behind their backs) but yes even though I'd think they were silly.

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Would you be willing to be kind (if privately thinking it a bit silly) if you had a medical appointment with this 'doctor'? Because, after all, the argument is NOT that TW are men pretending to be women, it's that men ARE women, and any differentiation is phobic.

Catsanfan · 17/11/2023 17:05

EmpressaurusOfCats · 17/11/2023 17:02

I've just seen someone using /he/him/cis. Is this the next step?

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EmpressaurusOfCats · 17/11/2023 17:02

I've just seen someone using /he/him/cis. Is this the next step?

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