Lesbian interviewed under caution for tweets

Please sign and share this petition for her membership reinstatement

citizengo.org/en-gb/212368-transwomen-are-men-unban-newcastle-united-fan

Do not say 'signed' here as TRAs have a tendency to monitor threads and cross reference names.

Over time more details about this will come out; for the time being there are a lot of people who have her back

I posted examples of tweets that have led to bans on the other thread about this.

It’s immediately notable what an enormous gulf there is between the treatment of an innocent woman & that of the men banned, for example, for spending 10 years tweeting antisemitic abuse at another supporter of their Club. In almost every case bans follow a criminal conviction. Clubs had proof - & might issue a suspension on that basis - but an actual ban? They waited for someone to be convicted for eg racist abuse directed at the black members of the England men’s team in 2020.

As I said on the other thread, I understand following policy & suspending someone if notified by the police of the investigation. Selective application of Club social media policy helps no-one.

From the behaviour of the investigating officer I’m sure NUFC were informed - but as soon as it was NFA’d she should not only have been reinstated but also actively supported, given the facts of the matter ie opening an investigation was not appropriate & informing the Club was clearly designed to cause her harm not protect others.

Please don’t misunderstand me - obviously she shouldn’t have been suspended because she shouldn’t have been reported; but as the matter was reported, doubtless as dramatically as possible, the Club was correct to follow policy. Absolutely no excuse or possible justification for issuing the ban though; & I hope it is rescinded with a fulsome [semi-]public [depending on her wishes] as well as private apology & indeed some level of compensation.

As for the police officer at the centre of this, they are clearly unfit to serve. Whether as a police officer; in the armed forces; in any retail environment; school dinners [or other food]; or in racquet sports!

A suggestion was mooted in a discussion i was part of that taking out membership and tweeting veraciously could be a good way to support her 😂

She does have a lot of support now and this isn't the end of it all.

Does this imply, then, that NUFC does endorse the views of all their members that they do allow to have membership?

Because.... that could be fun.

I'm so furious about this!!!

The tweets they're citing as an issue are different to the main one quoted here (TW are Men), but there's still no grounds for any of this. Particularly as the police are taking no further action.

Perhaps she should do a FOI on how many other NUFC members have been suspended for that reason

This is absolutely ridiculous. And she's devastated.

This really is a soft creep version of the apprehension around social credit and associated restrictions that is commonly (mistakenly?) thought to be true of China but happening in England. (I've no idea if similar has happened in the remainder of GB/UK.)

The Chinese government did emphasize that all social-credit-related punishment has to adhere to existing laws, but laws themselves can be unjust in the first place. “Saying that the system is an extension of the law only means that it is no better or worse than the laws it enforces. As China turns its focus increasingly to people’s social and cultural lives, further regulating the content of entertainment, education, and speech, those rules will also become subject to credit enforcement,” Daum wrote in a 2021 article.
Moreover, “this was always about making people honest to the government, and not necessarily to each other,” says Ahmed. When moral issues like honesty are turned into legal issues, the state ends up having the sole authority in deciding who’s trustworthy. One tactic Chinese courts have used in holding “discredited individuals” accountable is encouraging their friends and family to report their assets in exchange for rewards. “Are you making society more trustworthy by ratting out your neighbor? Or are you building distrust in your very local community?” she asks.

https://www.technologyreview.com/2022/11/22/1063605/china-announced-a-new-social-credit-law-what-does-it-mean/

NC: I'm in a group with the woman in question and she has today heard that she has been banned from NUFC membership for two years and cannot attend matches there and away games. The premier league 'will be also notified.'

This is absolutely ridiculous. And she's devastated.

Bloody hell, these abusive police officers really think they're teflon and the law doesn't apply to them, don't they? It's not acceptable that the police allow this level of threat and escalation. Stalking is quite right.

He did. I have seen a screenshot of him saying "Is this real?", which I hope is genuine. Things could get very interesting.

Didn't Elon Musk offer to finance legal cases against this kind of thing? If so I hope he is true to his word.

PC NeedsBoundaries will be

🎼gannin along the Scotswood Road, to sign on at the Doleface

Of course not!

This really looks like twitter animosity that has spilled over into real life. Quite a few supposed male fans of NUFC have popped up to troll GC accounts and say they know the woman and she's awful (no evidence except a screenshot where she mentions Hitler which they are wilfully misinterpreting). No evidence of them supporting trans rights. They just knew they could use it as a weapon, imo. I wouldn't be surprised if the officer who's overstepping the mark is part of their gang.

I mean, if you've seen and heard how nasty some football 'supporters' can get with their posts and chants, why is this woman their target?

And now the latest developments...

The police really need to stop people using them as their personal army.

Letter was typed on police station headed paper but hand written envelope and hand delivered to her house.

I don’t think they do think. That’s not why we recruit them! [knocks on wood to emphasise].

The envelope was handwritten. I don't think the letter inside was.

Such hubris.

Why was it handwritten, I wonder. Was it even official?

What the fuck are these police officers thinking when they do this shit!

Love the text we are fair cop sent though!

It reminds a lot of us of that and other incidents.
Same m.o.

It reminds me of Surrey police and Caroline Farrow.

It's a way of sayng they haven't a case based on the info they have @Datun.
Usually, it says NFA unless further information comes to light. Which is standard.

Normally it's the Officer's Sergeant who will have taken the charging decision, based on current evidence, and often advice from CPS.

What's concerning is this letter says unless and until.
Which suggests to me that the officer is determined that it hasn't been NFA'd at all.

You can be released after interview as stil being under investigation, but this isn't it.

Bizarre and sinister. The officer is likely to have written the letter officerself.
No wonder FairCop are in a froth about it.

I wonder if the officer was on duty when it was delivered?
All these officers in Northumbria hand delivering NFA letters in the dead of night.
Or was it just this one?

What a gift to the baddies out thieving and worse.

Harassment, pure and simple.