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Owen Jones comes out fighting for "Actual Free Speech"

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Ereshkigalangcleg · 10/11/2023 09:17

https://x.com/ucu/status/1722666107163832603?s=46&t=SPorwN-mokktL467rcZ57g

"We should start a new campaign for actual free speech says @OwenJones84

It's time to take a stand"

Looking forward to him unblocking all the women he's blocked on Twitter and hearing what they have to say. Free speech is for everyone, right?

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NoMoreRedWineforFreda · 10/11/2023 10:54

Signalbox · 10/11/2023 10:49

I wonder when they record it. Might have to wait until next week.

Argh!

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RudsyFarmer · 10/11/2023 10:50

InvisibleDuck · 10/11/2023 10:34

I have the mp4 if anyone knows where I could upload it to share?

Edit: let's see if this works

https://streamable.com/zpeiaa

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What the hell did I just watch? He has surely disappeared into his own purity spiral? It’s like he’s done full circle and is now merrily biting his own tail.

He was/is at the forefront of shutting down debate and refusing to allow others to speak. It’s like Stella Braverman coming out in support of small boats. Completely bizarre.

Tinysoxxx · 10/11/2023 10:50

That last big paragraph must be giving The Open University a ‘laugh’.

Signalbox · 10/11/2023 10:49

NoMoreRedWineforFreda · 10/11/2023 10:42

I can’t wait for the Spiked podcast now. No way they will let this slide past!

I wonder when they record it. Might have to wait until next week.

NoMoreRedWineforFreda · 10/11/2023 10:42

I can’t wait for the Spiked podcast now. No way they will let this slide past!

ForgotTheBiscuits · 10/11/2023 10:41

Owen Jones is brilliant; I’m grateful that he’s kicking off about the right stuff; articulate, informed and his moral compass is working well. He’s also got excellent taste in cats.

NoMoreRedWineforFreda · 10/11/2023 10:40

Opposing violence against women has been pretty ducking hard for the last 8 or so years, ain’t it? Loads of women forced out of their jobs for it, including women writers at the same title as Jones 🤦‍♀️

boudiccathecat · 10/11/2023 10:40

Once he unblocks me on Twitter X I’ll congratulate him on being so open minded and his defence of free speech and opposing opinions….. Oh wait……

Signalbox · 10/11/2023 10:39

InvisibleDuck · 10/11/2023 10:34

I have the mp4 if anyone knows where I could upload it to share?

Edit: let's see if this works

https://streamable.com/zpeiaa

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Bingo! Well done 👏

Signalbox · 10/11/2023 10:39

InvisibleDuck · 10/11/2023 10:34

I have the mp4 if anyone knows where I could upload it to share?

Edit: let's see if this works

https://streamable.com/zpeiaa

Edited

Maybe Twitter or Instergram?

NoMoreRedWineforFreda · 10/11/2023 10:38

This is from Loj’s Grauniad column published on Halloween.

Yes, there is an awful lot of hypocrisy about when it comes to free speech, isn’t there, Owen Jones?

Owen Jones comes out fighting for "Actual Free Speech"
Ereshkigalangcleg · 10/11/2023 10:38

I think maybe he was speaking at some UCU event.

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PatatiPatatras · 10/11/2023 10:37

Can't wait to hear the mental gymnastics he is currently using to convince himself of his own answer.

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InvisibleDuck · 10/11/2023 10:34

I have the mp4 if anyone knows where I could upload it to share?

Edit: let's see if this works

https://streamable.com/zpeiaa

Signalbox · 10/11/2023 10:32

Ereshkigalangcleg · 10/11/2023 10:13

THE TRANSCRIPT

<opens with our hero sitting on a set of fancy stairs>

"I wonder if this is the beginning of a new campaign here, because the right should never have been able to steal the garbs of free speech and all the rest of it.

You know, the way they tried to redefine it was a right of powerful people to say, often bigoted, prejudiced, worse, more extreme things than that about minorities that are marginalised without any right of anyone to respond to what they said, that even the very act of characterising their speech as inflaming prejudice against often relatively voiceless minorities, that’s an attack on free speech. Even though we hear that people who claim they’re cancelled, who do so from their newspaper columns, from television screens, from their book deals, you know, the whole thing is ludicrous.

I think we should start a new campaign for actual free speech, and I think it’s borne out of what we’re seeing at the moment, which is, you know, throughout history it’s always been progressives who defended actual genuine free speech and the right of free academic enquiry, which is what the government doesn’t want. And I just wonder if it’s now the beginning of a, you know, given they have tried to turn this on us, that we build a broad based campaign, where we actually use this as a case study, of how the government has tried to shut down free speech.

And the reason I say this is, you know, they claim that this idea of cancel culture, which they’ve claimed is intimidating often powerful people who keep their powerful positions is some new phenomenon.

The left, those deemed progressive have always been on the receiving end. You had the first Red Scare back after World War I, in which you had deportations, arrests, academics being intimidated, and you had of course, McCarthyism, which was known as the second Red Scare at the time. There’s a long tradition of this, and it’s so important that we stand our ground, we build these broad coalitions, and we make it clear that we are erm, you know, the true- that uh, that we hold the flame of genuine free speech and free academic enquiry, the ability of academics to freely explore often areas deemed controversial by the establishment, and that’s what they want to shut down.

I just think a new campaign could be born."

<smug face to camera>

I particularly like the asides at the beginning and end. They really set the scene and render the actual footage almost redundant.

JemimaTiggywinkles · 10/11/2023 10:29

Ereshkigalangcleg, thanks for doing that - I didn't get chance to watch the clip. Though I'm pretty sure I'd have died from second-hand embarrassment if I actually had seen it!

NoMoreRedWineforFreda · 10/11/2023 10:28

Ereshkigalangcleg · 10/11/2023 10:27

That transcript surely is exaggerated?!

I transcribed it personally, verbatim.

I started off thinking it was satire, but once you read it in LOJ’s insufferable voice it’s obviously real. Lots of his pet phrases in there.

Signalbox · 10/11/2023 10:27

JemimaTiggywinkles · 10/11/2023 10:23

That transcript surely is exaggerated?!

As in, he didn't say those exact words - nobody could be that insufferable, surely?!

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I did get to watch the clip. I’d say the transcript is accurate.

NoMoreRedWineforFreda · 10/11/2023 10:27

Hadley is brilliant.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 10/11/2023 10:27

That transcript surely is exaggerated?!

I transcribed it personally, verbatim.

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RoyalCorgi · 10/11/2023 10:26

Hadley Freeman puts it nicely:

"Learning grammar, according to certain members of the left: I am unfairly cancelled, you are being held accountable, she is a hideous old bigot who must be driven out of her job and publicly shamed."

https://twitter.com/HadleyFreeman/status/1722914756082745803

https://twitter.com/HadleyFreeman/status/1722914756082745803

TinselAngel · 10/11/2023 10:26

The best example he can come up with in the last 100 years is McCarthyism? What's that got to do with the UK?

Signalbox · 10/11/2023 10:26

The problem with the Palestine-Israel issue is not support for one side or the other, or demands for government to apply political pressure, or even military pressure in favour of either side. The problem is the risk of importing the conflict itself into the UK (or other countries).

There is definitely a sense of that happening at the moment. Things feel extremely tense.

NoMoreRedWineforFreda · 10/11/2023 10:24

I think he’s talking about the same themes in this YouTube vid from yesterday (it’s not the one from the tweet because the location, LOJ’s living room, isn’t the posh fancy steps of the tweet!)

Suella Braverman's UNHINGED NONSENSE Taken Apart

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https://youtu.be/yahc3nEa1kE?si=McCo_bLQgZ4il0Si

JemimaTiggywinkles · 10/11/2023 10:23

That transcript surely is exaggerated?!

As in, he didn't say those exact words - nobody could be that insufferable, surely?!