Caster Semenya on BBC1 now

Caster is saying they don’t have a uterus but do have internal testes. My italics in her quote below:

“I don't care about the medical terms or what they tell me. Being born without a uterus or with internal testicles. Those don't make me less of a woman,"

Caster is describing two ‘abnormal’ things - having no uterus or having internal testes - and saying those people are still women, whether they have bits missing or extra bits present.

GingerRuby · Today 09:08

Having internal testicles does not make them any less of a woman apparently

Never has the phrase, "Aye, bollocks!" seemed so apt.

It’s not that complicated really. CS looks like a man, sounds like a man, argues like a man, has the body of a man, including testes (ignoring genitals, we don’t know about those) and runs like a man. Genetic tests show CS is a man, no surprise there then.

That article pretty much just includes stuff that CS has said rather than any biological/genetic information.

Thank you. That's interesting, the BBC article very much gives the idea that Caster is a woman.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/athletics/67336536

From Wiki. More reliable than the BBC in this case: Semenya has the intersex condition 5α-Reductase 2 deficiency, which only affects genetic males. Individuals with this condition have normal male internal structures that are not fully masculinized during the embryo's development, resulting in external genitalia that appear ambiguous or female at birth.

Reading a BBC article this morning, Caster said that they had a vagina. So I assumed they were a woman with an intersex condition?

That's a fair point.

The internet says CS has a degree though.

Do you think CS would be advised prior to such an interview?

Don't be daft! What we dislike is unfair competition ruining women's sports and infringing other boundaries predicated on sex.

In fact it is because we are able to recognise difference that we can differentiate and form appropriate judgements based on that differentiation.

To be fair, Emma Barnett did do a good job of setting out Semenya's viewpoint and then robustly challenging it, which Semenya clearly wasn't expecting and wasn't prepared for.

I'd forgotten how good Emma Barnett is at doing this. She goes in softly and builds up a rapport with her interviewee and then switches tack. It's fairly brutal and runs counter to the 'be kind' fawning that is perhaps more expected of female presenters (I'm thinking of you, Lorraine Kelly) but blimey, it's effective.

Another shockingly unscientific article from the BBC - the one about the Dominican Republic.

They are not girls who turn into boys, they're boys with a DSD. If they have an operation, they do not "stay female". They were not female, they are male and an operation cannot change your sex.

You are not "neither" male nor female in the first few weeks of life in the womb.

How long would it take for the journalist to check these things if they're not sure? It's what was once a science-aware profession using stock phrases and concepts supplied by genderism.

Quite.

I don’t ‘hate difference’, but I do intensely dislike blatant cheats.

From the Times article.

What a mystery as to why 🙄

‘Estrogen monotherapy’ in male transsexuals can override the function of the testicles.

However, that takes high doses of cross sex hormones, not the dosage in the contraceptive pill.

I suppose the pill might be enough to impede one’s testes functioning at their very best? Certainly not enough to shut them off tho.

5 ARD boys can develop almost normally at puberty (just less facial and body hair).

In the Dominican Republic it’s called ‘Penis at 12 syndrome’

https://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-34290981.amp

https://www.livescience.com/52247-guevedoces-girls-boys.html

It’s entirely possible that Caster has been a fully functioning male since puberty, when 5 ARD boys testicles often descend naturally and a penis develops from what was previously ambiguous looking genitalia (but we don’t need to know about Caster’s genitals to be able to state that XY chromosomes + testes internal or external = too male for the female sporting category).

Yet Emily Maitlis can take Prince Andrew to bits for making absurd claims about his 'medical conditions' and make an utter fool of him. The BBC is very selective in how it seeks to interrogate dodgy narratives, and I bet they won't 'fact check' this one.

How would going on the contraceptive pill prevent CS's testes from producing testosterone?

CS didn't need to "process" the news because CS already knew CS wasn't a woman.

Caster is a man who has a DSD that only ever affects biological males. It is really simple. Caster has known this fact for years, yet continues to cheat in sport. Nobody should be pandering to this, least of all the BBC, which as an organisation seems to have lost its moral compass.

Nope,we just hate what this bloke has been allowed to get away with.

Nope. We just hate biological males unfairly taking what rightly beings to biologically females. Caster is male and should not be allowed to compete in female categories.

Almost as if …. hmmm … 🤣

No Caster can no longer compete as a woman (but could compete with the others who also have XY chromosomes). Fathering 2 kids (albeit through several attempts at AI is what swings it for me).

There was a ruling in 2019.

Caster doesn't appear to like Seb Coe these days (TBF I'm not sure they were buddies before this).

Behind every cheating male there seems to be a coach who is determined to get medals at any cost.

This was on the radio at work, I need to listen again on BBC sounds.
Train harder....

The relationship between chromosomes and sex can be complex with DSDs, as it is not just about the chromosomes (which can come in various patterns that are not just XY or XX) but also about the way the body's hormones are picked up and lead to male or female development. The production of sperm or eggs is a key factor (or developing the organs to do that, even if they don't do that).

This is why you can't just say XY always = male and XX always = female. That is true in the vast majority of cases but not always.

This is one of the reasons DSDs have been co-opted into (IMO specious) TRA arguments. Some people with a DSD really are incorrectly "assigned" a sex at birth based on appearance, which is not their true sex. That is nothing like being transgender, but it's used as a "gotcha". It also means that you can be male without being XY and female without being XX, and that is also used to undermine arguments that biological sex is a reality.