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BBC Sport article on Caster Semenya

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catduckgoose · 07/11/2023 07:39

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/athletics/67336536

Article published this morning is very biased as per usual. It completely omits to mention that:

  • he is male
  • he has 5-alpha reductase deficiency
  • the reason that his testosterone is in the normal male range is it's being produced by his testes
  • he has fathered two children

Semenya 'not ashamed of being different'

Caster Semenya tells the BBC she is "not going to be ashamed" of being "different", and will "fight for what is right" amid her ongoing dispute with athletics authorities.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/athletics/67336536

OP posts:
PTSDBarbiegirl · 07/11/2023 08:57

I can't understand what's in it for the BBC who seem to be overlooking feeling about these men among the female community of viewers and of female athletes. Why is this narrative of women not being kind etc etc being pushed?

NecessaryScene · 07/11/2023 08:51

he has fathered two children

We don't know this last point. The supposition in our circles that he might have has grown legs over the years and become "he has". It's a zombie factoid we see repeated.

My understanding is that it's often possible for 5-ARD individuals to father children, albeit using artificial insemination. And I think that "often" is something like 50% rather than 5% or 95%.

So it has been speculated that Semenya did. As far as I know, there is no evidence for it, but on the other hand there's no evidence to the contrary.

We can at least say that there being speculation on a ~50% chance that an individual is some children's father rules out being female 😂

SerotinaPickeler · 07/11/2023 08:35

Just read this on the BBC website, it's very easy to see what's not being said and questions not being asked when you know what you're looking for. Explained all this to DH and he can very clearly see this.

It's not right that Semenya is given this promotional platform without an opportunity to provide balance, as the truth in this case completely torpedoes the falsehoods Semenya is claiming. The BBC need to enable the other side of the story aka the truth!

Helleofabore · 07/11/2023 08:12

just adding this thread link for those interested in some of the background.

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womensrights/4822942-caster-semenya-biography?page=1

Thanks OP for posting this article. The BBC looks to be continuing their line of not informing the public. As you say, the points they miss out on are significant.

MagpiePi · 07/11/2023 08:05

The fact that sporting bodies are gradually admitting that women are being shat on by men claiming to be women is throwing more light on the whole issue. Semenya is having to double down on the narrative that he is a woman otherwise he will have to admit that his successful sporting career as a woman will have been a lie.
Sadly, there are still too many bodies such as the BBC (and the Guardian that did a similar article about Semenya a couple of weeks ago) that are still pushing the line that men being barred from competing in women's sports is just women being mean.

QuetzalTerfLus · 07/11/2023 07:43

i just read that. Very clever wording by Semenya -

“At the end of the day, I know I am different. I don't care about the medical terms or what they tell me. Being born without a uterus or internal testicles. Those don't make me less of a woman," added Semenya.

Deliberate omission of the crucial “with” before “internal testicles”

Its unbelievable that Semenya can claim that Semenya is fighting for women’s sports when the direct opposite is true.

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