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Thank you, JKR, for shining light on the capture of Australia to GI, & the hatred of women enshrined here in law.

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HiddenLegoOuch · 05/11/2023 08:17

As the rest of the world seems to be moving towards logic, science and reality, Australia once again shows just how captured our Government and Courts are to the thrall of TRAs & Gender Ideology.

Few people in Australia realise or care what Queer Theory being inserted into our very fabric means or will lead to. Those that fight it and seek to expose it are vilified, publicly abused, and castigated by the media.

Many thanks to JKR on X for shining the light on the women-hating laws/guidelines just enacted in South Australia. Gender Identity theory is enshrined in law, with gender pronoun use being made compulsory in court. This has started - a woman who has been raped/subject to male violence will have to use female pronouns for her (male) attacker, if that perpetrator is a TW.

This is not just a bench book written according to “Stonewall law”, it is blatant pandering to trans ideology and is absolutely shameful.

https://www.news.com.au/national/south-australia/jk-rowling-trashes-new-south-australian-court-rules-on-pronouns/news-story/172a371060862ebf27c90b72c005c7a7

Harry Potter author slams new gender rules

Children’s author JK Rowling has lashed out at new gender rules set to govern one state’s court system, saying they could re-traumatise women who are the victims of male violence.

https://www.news.com.au/national/south-australia/jk-rowling-trashes-new-south-australian-court-rules-on-pronouns/news-story/172a371060862ebf27c90b72c005c7a7

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Helleofabore · 08/11/2023 10:03

MishyJDI · 08/11/2023 08:45

A little petty I feel. No-one is defending the rights of rapists. As the SA Court clarified, no-one will be compelled to use the wrong pronoun against their attacker. Clearly that is appropriate. But you do you.

Oh dear. Don’t worry. Those reading this thread will see that yes, you do defend rapists. If you don’t, can I suggest you are more careful in wording your scolds and attempts to humiliate women so that readers know that you are just humiliating women who disagree with you BUT not defending rapists and other male violence towards women

And the clarification came AFTER Joanne Rowling pointed out the issue. But please… don’t let facts get in the way of a jolly good scold now Mishy. You never have before!

HiddenLegoOuch · 08/11/2023 09:55

Oh, and interesting to see that Mishy acknowledges that it would be the “wrong pronoun”!!!

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HiddenLegoOuch · 08/11/2023 09:54

But Mishy, you ARE defending the rights of rapists - as you have supported that everyone else in the court process will have to use opposite sex pronouns for the male on trial. That will be re-traumatising for the victim, confusing, and either a blatant lie or compelled speech. If you can’t see how cruel and soul-destroying that would be for someone who has already endured male violence, then there is nothing else to say, except keep shining that light on the harm that Queer Theory/GI force into society.

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MishyJDI · 08/11/2023 08:45

Maaate · 06/11/2023 16:35

Aww, look at Mishy defending the feelings of rapists again.

A little petty I feel. No-one is defending the rights of rapists. As the SA Court clarified, no-one will be compelled to use the wrong pronoun against their attacker. Clearly that is appropriate. But you do you.

Whoisthatatthedoor · 08/11/2023 08:36

HiddenLegoOuch · 07/11/2023 09:05

JKRs initial post about this has 1.5M views and 26.4k likes.
I am so thankful for the sunlight.

Yes I am too. Fury made me forget myself when I posted, but a huge THANK YOU to JKR for standing up for us ⭐️

HiddenLegoOuch · 07/11/2023 09:05

JKRs initial post about this has 1.5M views and 26.4k likes.
I am so thankful for the sunlight.

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EnoughIsay · 07/11/2023 00:57

Whoisthatatthedoor · 06/11/2023 16:19

It’s also more than just the distress she might feel in that traumatic moment in court.

Its also that being compelled to use the wrong sex pronouns would absolutely stifle a woman’s ability to speak fluently and consistently when giving evidence, and the jury could wrongly interpret this difficulty as her lying about what took place.

It’s going to show in hesitancy, stumbling over words, facial expressions, in body language and all the small details that people pick up on. It would be almost impossible to come across as completely truthful when you are being forced to partly lie.

We know that rape and sexual assault cases are loaded against women already so who would want to make it even harder for women to give their best evidence. Oh yeah….

So MUCH THIS.

It is over looked but HUGELY important.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 06/11/2023 23:13

Whoisthatatthedoor · 06/11/2023 16:19

It’s also more than just the distress she might feel in that traumatic moment in court.

Its also that being compelled to use the wrong sex pronouns would absolutely stifle a woman’s ability to speak fluently and consistently when giving evidence, and the jury could wrongly interpret this difficulty as her lying about what took place.

It’s going to show in hesitancy, stumbling over words, facial expressions, in body language and all the small details that people pick up on. It would be almost impossible to come across as completely truthful when you are being forced to partly lie.

We know that rape and sexual assault cases are loaded against women already so who would want to make it even harder for women to give their best evidence. Oh yeah….

This. Exactly. I have already posted a link to Barra Kerr's (Barracker on MN) brilliant essay on "preferred pronouns" today, posting it again for anyone lurking:

https://fairplayforwomen.com/pronouns/

Incongruent pronouns also make your brain work much harder; not just when you are using them, but when you are receiving them as information. You are working constantly to keep that story straight in your head. Male or female? Which one, again? Concentrate harder. Ignore your instincts, ignore your reaction.

OneMorePlant · 06/11/2023 23:05

I love JK Rowling so much. She's amazing.

Signalbox · 06/11/2023 22:12

Right now in the Amy Hamm hearing they are trying to compel her speech and force her to use the term transwomen rather than trans identified male.

Maaate · 06/11/2023 16:35

MishyJDI · 05/11/2023 15:06

Fortunately the younger generation are far more liberal...

Aww, look at Mishy defending the feelings of rapists again.

Whoisthatatthedoor · 06/11/2023 16:19

It’s also more than just the distress she might feel in that traumatic moment in court.

Its also that being compelled to use the wrong sex pronouns would absolutely stifle a woman’s ability to speak fluently and consistently when giving evidence, and the jury could wrongly interpret this difficulty as her lying about what took place.

It’s going to show in hesitancy, stumbling over words, facial expressions, in body language and all the small details that people pick up on. It would be almost impossible to come across as completely truthful when you are being forced to partly lie.

We know that rape and sexual assault cases are loaded against women already so who would want to make it even harder for women to give their best evidence. Oh yeah….

duc748 · 06/11/2023 15:53

I suppose 'anxious' is one notch down from 'hysterical'. 😡

JKR nails it.

RoyalCorgi · 06/11/2023 15:48

JKR's response to the judge is bang on. Absolutely infuriating the way that Kourakis is trying to pretend that JKR has misunderstood the intention of the practice note and that she is being "anxious," when all she has done is very astutely point out the problem with the advice.

Dennis Kavanagh also has a good Twitter thread about this.

https://twitter.com/Jebadoo2/status/1721473042662965298

https://twitter.com/Jebadoo2/status/1721473042662965298

lifeturnsonadime · 06/11/2023 15:41

MishyJDI · 05/11/2023 15:06

Fortunately the younger generation are far more liberal...

Ha ha ha ha no.

Many of the younger generation see this for exactly what it is.

The fact that they have been effectively silenced, on pain of being disciplined by college or university, doesn't mean that they believe that men are women if they say so.

I am so glad that JKR continues to speak out on this misogynistic nonsense and I'm glad for your post too Mishy, you are casting sunlight on how woman hating this is, siding with rapists should not be seen as a liberal position.

Cosmosforbreakfast · 06/11/2023 15:39

JKR is a hero. I'm grateful we have her and others like her in our corner.

StarlightLime · 06/11/2023 15:10

MishyJDI · 05/11/2023 15:06

Fortunately the younger generation are far more liberal...

You try so hard... Bless.

fromorbit · 06/11/2023 15:08

JKR is winning twitter again over the Judge's response :

The Honourable Chris Kourakis has issued a statement referring to my 'anxiety' about the use of female pronouns for men standing trial for violence against women and rape. He states that 'a victim of crime would never be asked to address an accused person in a way which caused the victim distress.'

That assurance is welcome, although I note that he’s addressed the matter only after it was raised publicly. No such exemption is mentioned in the Practice Note, which takes the ideological position that the ‘use of preferred gender pronouns is a matter of respect’. The natural inference is that a woman would be considered guilty of disrespect if she, alone in the courtroom, described her male attacker as a man, while all court officials were addressing and describing him as a woman. This is not a hypothetical situation. The judge will be aware, if he's informed himself – as he implies I have not - that I've already cited an example where a 60-year-old woman was violently assaulted by a 26-year-old trans-identified male. She was chided by the judge for displaying 'bad grace' by not using her attacker's preferred pronouns.

The Practice Note does not acknowledge that in sexual and violent crimes committed by men against women, there is a clear clash of rights. The woman has a right - indeed, a legal duty - to speak truthfully about the male violence/sexual violence to which she was subjected. Meanwhile the Practice Note says that court officials should respectfully use female pronouns for the attacker if he says he identifies as a woman. The likely effect on a traumatised woman of hearing her attacker addressed and described as a female by the court is neither mentioned nor addressed in the Practice Note. Respect, it seems, goes only one way.

Millions of women are losing confidence in judicial systems that have adopted an ideological position with which they do not agree. In the very place where they go to seek justice, a woman may now be obliged to listen to court officials asserting they were raped or beaten by a fellow woman. Such women are not merely ‘anxious’, they are furious, about the apparent inability of certain men, judges or not, to understand how dystopian this situation seems to those of us who have suffered male sexual violence.

https://twitter.com/jk_rowling/status/1721506268798452195

This sexist nonsense needs to be called out. Now JKR has raised it and everyone is talking about it. More peaking. More understanding that male criminals are getting away with evil.

https://twitter.com/jk_rowling/status/1721506268798452195

HiddenLegoOuch · 06/11/2023 11:42

Yes - because the victim’s suffering would be magnified if she had to lie and use female pronouns.

In a similar vein, however, what about the victim’s distress at having to hear the other people in court (judge, lawyers, witnesses, etc) refer to her attacker/rapist as “she/her” and a female name?

That is the exact opposite of ensuring the survivor is not further abused by the justice system!

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MrSand · 06/11/2023 08:25

There eems to be a backing down from the Chief Justice. In the original article that JKR quoted, he said:

"the correct pronunciation of names and use of the preferred gender pronoun is a matter of respect and is an important component of ensuring public confidence in the proper administration of justice"

But now he says:

“A victim of crime would never be asked to address an accused person in a way which caused the victim distress."

It looks like it hadn't occured to think about the impact on the victim until JKR pointed it out.

Musomama1 · 06/11/2023 07:50

Exactly. Can the victim refer to them as their name? In the same way we do at MN to avoid being deleted for using real pronouns?

Not saying that is a satisfactory workaround, but just wondering how policed the victim would be?

HiddenLegoOuch · 05/11/2023 21:52

Just to note -
the article has been edited as of about 2 hours ago. The previous version ended with the South Australian government refused to comment on JKRs post.

The final comments by the Chief Justice were not initially present.

The fact that the male aggressor can have anyone in court or reflected in the transcript of the case refer to them as “female” must be absolutely soul-destroying for the victim (especially so if the trans-out-of-jail card has been pulled out between assault and court case).

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HiddenLegoOuch · 05/11/2023 21:45

Thanks, Mish. There is no better indicator that this compelled denial of reality and mandated forced speech is thoroughly misogynistic and GI captured, alternative-universe/perverse and cruel anti-women bullshit than your endorsement.

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MrsOvertonsWindow · 05/11/2023 19:23

DialSquare · 05/11/2023 18:41

I wish I had £1 for every time I cringed for Mishy.

Mishy can often offer a teaching moment. An opportunity to explore what the wrong side of history is saying about women / safeguarding / men's demands at a certain time 😂

Pudmyboy · 05/11/2023 19:10

Note in the article, for no reason, Daniel the ingrate's twopenn'th from years ago is printed in full: why?