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My 15 year old daughter is going to a sleepover tomorrow night....

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Kitkat2023 · 27/10/2023 19:07

....and out of 5 girls, 3 of them dress up as boys. My daughter is NOT one of them, but over the last 2 years, 3 of her friends have started the 'trans' fashion.
My daughter is all over it calling the girls 'they and them or he'.

We are starting to fall out over it because I just can't entertain it when she's calling them all their new names as I find it so ridiculous.

What the hell have they done to our children?

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Theimpossiblegirl · 27/10/2023 20:08

I'd say no mixed gender sleep overs and not let her go.

I'd actually say no mixed sex sleepovers but it's not technically mixed sex. That's another argument altogether....

WorkingItOutAsIGo · 27/10/2023 20:08

Honestly, if you don’t stop her going then you’re revealing you don’t think they are male. The right thing to do to show her you are completely not transphobic is to ban her from going.

SamW98 · 27/10/2023 20:05

I’m so glad this seems to have passed my 18 year old DS by.
His friendship group are all pretty stereotypical(in so much as there is such a thing) young men. They’re into going to football, PlayStation, gigs, going to town centre pubs wearing jeans, polo shirts and trainers.

I’ve had a conversation with him if he knows anyone who is trans or uses different pronouns etc. He said there’s one girl from school who’s now a boy but other than that it seems it’s totally off his radar.

Wowwellokthen · 27/10/2023 19:56

My daughter (16) and her friends are the same....she says she's hanging with the boys.....they are all pretty and feminine girls who despite their claims like dressing up as girls sometimes and talk about fancying boys. But...being a CIS heterosexual (among other things) is the worse thing, to them, to identify as!
I say nothing as I am an old CIS heterosexual who doesn't "get it". I certainly don't get that 100% of a friendship group are actually trans bisexuals.
I don't care how people identify but this youth fad is boring (and insulting to those people truly suffering from gender confusion)

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Kitkat2023 · 27/10/2023 19:36

MrsTerryPratchett · 27/10/2023 19:22

Do they 'dress as boys' or 'think they are boys'? Because those are different. DD 'dresses like a boy' with DMs, jeans, graphic Ts and short hair. She also rolls her eyes when asked her pronouns and asks why she should have to wear uncomfortable clothes.

She and all her friends 'they' everyone because when in doubt in produces the least cobblers responses. And actually, my 18 yo feminist self might have thought that was a good idea too.

No, they think they are boys and have changed their names to boy names. They fully identify as trans

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MrsTerryPratchett · 27/10/2023 19:22

Do they 'dress as boys' or 'think they are boys'? Because those are different. DD 'dresses like a boy' with DMs, jeans, graphic Ts and short hair. She also rolls her eyes when asked her pronouns and asks why she should have to wear uncomfortable clothes.

She and all her friends 'they' everyone because when in doubt in produces the least cobblers responses. And actually, my 18 yo feminist self might have thought that was a good idea too.

Frenchfancy · 27/10/2023 19:22

NuffSaidSam · 27/10/2023 19:09

Tell her you're not happy for her to have a sleepover with three boys and see how quickly she knows they're girls again.

Yes. This.

My teen DD is all about preferred pronouns, and you can't say "he" when discussing certain YouTube celebrities. But she is starting to come round with the sports issues.

Her older sisters have seen the light So there is hope.

Elisheva · 27/10/2023 19:18

She knows, they all know. Teenagers are not stupid. Let them get on with it, nod and smile and gentle teasing is how I’m getting though it. The children are victims of this, not perpetrators, and a supportive friend will be of more help to them. My children are well aware of my views on it, but I talk in general terms, not about their specific friends.

MrsOvertonsWindow · 27/10/2023 19:15

NuffSaidSam · 27/10/2023 19:09

Tell her you're not happy for her to have a sleepover with three boys and see how quickly she knows they're girls again.

😂
These poor girls - gaslit at every opportunity by dodgy adults encouraging them to hate their female bodies at the very time when they need to be learning to come to terms with them.
As the Cass review pointed out - for many / most of them it will be a phase. For the mentally vulnerable it is of course a one way path to wrecking their bodies and future lives. 😡

NuffSaidSam · 27/10/2023 19:09

Tell her you're not happy for her to have a sleepover with three boys and see how quickly she knows they're girls again.

Ibravedaflood · 27/10/2023 19:09

Hopefully like push-pops and energy drinks it's just a fad soon passed. Bonkers the whole thing.

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