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Eddie Izzard - "these arguments will drift away".

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HootyMcBooby76 · 26/10/2023 09:44

Eddie Izzard criticises discord sown between trans and women's rights: 'They shouldn't be fought against each other' | Watch (msn.com)

Another interview with Izzard saying these "arguments will drift away", it's "live and let live", its a right wing ideology etc.

Get fucked Eddie.
Women's rights will not just "drift away" you moron.

It's NOTHING to to with homophobia, the arguments aren't even comparable.
You just want women to shut up and sweep themselves out of the room and close the door after themselves, don't you?

Well, it's not happening you twat.

MSN

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/video/other/eddie-izzard-criticises-discord-sown-between-trans-and-women-s-rights-they-shouldn-t-be-fought-against-each-other/vi-AA1iS28L?ocid=msedgntp&pc=DCTS&cvid=36e51da08cf3448184f125ab164f52ac&ei=9

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ErrolTheDragon · 27/10/2023 18:09

FreebieWallopFridge · 27/10/2023 17:38

A quick google shows that asparagus has XX and XY chromosomes. By his logic, does that mean EI is asparagus?

Asparagus is reputed to be an aphrodisiac.

So no.

CorruptedCauldron · 27/10/2023 18:02

WoollyBat · 27/10/2023 17:52

"We know we are a mixture: XX and XY, not XX and YY. We start in the foetus as girls and some get coded boys".

Thinking about it, this also means that Eddie thinks being a TW is a real genetic thing that involves really being female, but XX women cannot be men (as they have no Y). So TM are not M. Which is.... terribly transphobic.

I can’t imagine that Eddie ever troubles himself to think about transmen.

WoollyBat · 27/10/2023 17:52

"We know we are a mixture: XX and XY, not XX and YY. We start in the foetus as girls and some get coded boys".

Thinking about it, this also means that Eddie thinks being a TW is a real genetic thing that involves really being female, but XX women cannot be men (as they have no Y). So TM are not M. Which is.... terribly transphobic.

Froodwithatowel · 27/10/2023 17:50

I would not eat it with a spoon
I would not eat it on the moon

ArthurbellaScott · 27/10/2023 17:49

JanesLittleGirl · 27/10/2023 17:46

I, for one, will not be eating poached salmon with new potatoes and steamed Eddie Izzard. No matter how he is dressed.

In vinaigrette?

JanesLittleGirl · 27/10/2023 17:46

FreebieWallopFridge · 27/10/2023 17:38

A quick google shows that asparagus has XX and XY chromosomes. By his logic, does that mean EI is asparagus?

I, for one, will not be eating poached salmon with new potatoes and steamed Eddie Izzard. No matter how he is dressed.

FreebieWallopFridge · 27/10/2023 17:38

A quick google shows that asparagus has XX and XY chromosomes. By his logic, does that mean EI is asparagus?

bombastix · 27/10/2023 17:01

I just think he is a few mints short of tin these days. And that is a shame because he was once rather funny. Whatever is going on for him is one thing, but the externalising of it is quite another. It seems a bit desperate

WoollyBat · 27/10/2023 16:30

Bloody hell, he couldn't know less about genetics if he tried. And his logic is seriously lacking too. If men being XY means they're somehow partly female (though of course it really DOESN'T mean that), then that would be true of all men, so there would be nothing "trans", non-male or less male about Eddie.

RealityFan · 27/10/2023 15:23

HootyMcBooby76 · 27/10/2023 15:13

No Eddie, we DON'T know that, YOU have made that up you blithering dick.

I get it...girl foetus is the norm, helpful, collegiate, neat and tidy, caring, feathers the nest.
Boy rebels against the norm of female foetus, arrogantly and aggressively fighting wars and beating women, lying and conniving, hunter gathering.
Eddie was always that girl foetus, he was always into short skirts and knee length boots, just like Freda Wallace, both of them hate they became those caricatures called boys/men.
Now they're regressed back to his true original gender, girl foetus.

The only thing that rings true amongst this total bollocks (sorry Freda, but if you will sit that way...) is the foetus bit, and the fact that Eddie is arguing his point as if his IQ was that of a foetus, girl or otherwise.

BezMills · 27/10/2023 15:15

Sad eyes of Eddie's O level biology teacher

HootyMcBooby76 · 27/10/2023 15:13

ArthurbellaScott · 27/10/2023 14:36

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4912423-eddie-izzard-interview-with-salon

'we know that, that, in the fetus, everyone's a girl in the fetus'

No Eddie, we DON'T know that, YOU have made that up you blithering dick.

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ErrolTheDragon · 27/10/2023 14:11

I've not RTFT and certainly CBA to listen to Eddie pontificating.

But hopefully the arguments will drift away as rational people see the idiotic, scientific illiteracy of him and his ilk, accept that humans can't change sex, and realise that people can just be themselves regardless of oldfashioned 'gendering'. Eddie had it right first time, they weren't womens frocks they were just his frocks.

EasternStandard · 27/10/2023 13:19

HootyMcBooby76 · 27/10/2023 13:02

Don't get me started on THIS utter BOLLOCKS:

"We know we are a mixture: XX and XY, not XX and YY. We start in the foetus as girls and some get coded boys".

XY means MALE Eddie, not half male and half female you clown.

Where does he get off spreading such complete horseshit? Hopefully most people will question this, but probably not the young impressionable or vulnerable people who get sucked into this ideology based on this crap.

Ffs

This is non scientific garbage

MargotBamborough · 27/10/2023 13:17

HootyMcBooby76 · 27/10/2023 13:02

Don't get me started on THIS utter BOLLOCKS:

"We know we are a mixture: XX and XY, not XX and YY. We start in the foetus as girls and some get coded boys".

XY means MALE Eddie, not half male and half female you clown.

Where does he get off spreading such complete horseshit? Hopefully most people will question this, but probably not the young impressionable or vulnerable people who get sucked into this ideology based on this crap.

Lol what.

An X chromosome doesn't mean you have a latent girl mode just waiting to be activated, Eddie.

Arnold Schwarzenegger has as many X chromosomes as you do.

HootyMcBooby76 · 27/10/2023 13:02

Don't get me started on THIS utter BOLLOCKS:

"We know we are a mixture: XX and XY, not XX and YY. We start in the foetus as girls and some get coded boys".

XY means MALE Eddie, not half male and half female you clown.

Where does he get off spreading such complete horseshit? Hopefully most people will question this, but probably not the young impressionable or vulnerable people who get sucked into this ideology based on this crap.

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RealityFan · 27/10/2023 13:01

Motnight · 27/10/2023 12:31

This is what actors do. They reinterpret stuff. In this case, Eddie the actor (cos)playing the Eddie female role, is reinterpreting Eddie the gender non conforming male person.

He's been doing it for a while...his well worn story where as a teen he was chased out of the Ladies by some teenage girls, here again he's reinterpreting these girls acting naturally as some sort of bullies or transphobes. I'm sure they love a man attempting to eliminate their agency.

The whole of TRA is acting, there's some sort of kismet that an actual actor would be the most prominent trans person the public knows (way more than Lia Thomas), alongside, yes another actor, Dylan Mulvaney.

Eddie's whole life is now an act, whether this breaking the fourth wall Jeckyll and Hyde role, or breaking the actual walls of women's spaces as he queues up to use the Ladies at the National Theatre.

HootyMcBooby76 · 27/10/2023 12:45

Motnight · 27/10/2023 12:31

I know, it's as if they don't know such a thing as the internet exists and that claims can be disproven very quickly these days.
His BIG thing was that he was very much a MAN who just happened to like women's clothes (or HIS clothes, as he was famously quoted as saying).

It's all complete disingenuous bollocks.

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bombastix · 27/10/2023 12:34

CorruptedCauldron · 27/10/2023 07:45

That Dr Jekyll trailer really is something else. What were they thinking? It looks laughably poor. No wonder even the Guardian couldn’t recommend it (and I’m sure they wanted to, so I must give them some credit for not lying to us). In the trailer you get a brief glimpse of Hyde, who seems exactly the same as Jekyll, only a bit pissed. Probably on the Eddie gin!

The original film is rather witty and entertaining, with the excellent Martine Beswick. Though it does have nudity.

I wouldn't bother with the remake.

Motnight · 27/10/2023 12:31

www.theguardian.com/film/2023/oct/26/eddie-izzard-why-wouldnt-you-take-me-seriously-given-everything-ive-done-in-my-life

Eddie rewriting history about coming out as trans many years ago.

RealityFan · 27/10/2023 09:35

Eddie, dear boy, we've just been watching that great female humanitarian Freda Wallace spit venom at Helen Joyce at the IEA "debate".

Amongst millions of other reasons, and now most recently on the basis of watching Wallace's disdain and hate of women, no way is this existential argument "drifting away".

Brewdug · 27/10/2023 09:27

IcakethereforeIam · 26/10/2023 15:02

It's only a very short review but glad Bradshaw was professional enough to keep it to the film and not shoehorn in a load of identity politics. Very few at the Guardian wouldn't make sure their personal opinions took up most of the space. Seemed to avoid using pronouns for Izzard as well (necessary for the character near the end). Smart, as again it keeps it all about the film - although comments are closed anyway? What a surprise.

I'm not even averse to the premise - it could have been good, campy horror fun in a way. But Bradshaw's review confirms my own suspicions from the trailer about it missing the mark. The thing may be Izzard doesn't have the sense of humour anymore to pull something like this off.

CorruptedCauldron · 27/10/2023 09:17

Self-indulgent and uncaring to anyone but himself. Who does that remind me of?

ArthurbellaScott · 27/10/2023 08:19

Wikipedia's summary of the plot of the original book:

'Jekyll's letter explains he held himself to strict moral standards publicly, but indulged in unstated vices and struggled with shame. He found a way to transform himself and thereby indulge his vices without fear of detection.

Jekyll's transformed body, Hyde, was evil, self-indulgent, and uncaring to anyone but himself. Initially, Jekyll controlled the transformations with the serum, but one night in August, he became Hyde involuntarily in his sleep.'

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