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Green Party Women under attack

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Toomie · 25/10/2023 22:07

Can anyone help explain what's happening with Green Party Women and the Green Women's Declaration? I've looked for a thread on here but can't find anything. Apologies if I've managed to miss it.

I'm a long-standing member of the Green Party, though not v active. There have been a lot of emails arriving in the last couple of days from people on both sides and it sounds as though things are blowing up.

I haven't been able to keep up-to-date with what's happening but get the gist of it - attempted (illegal?) booting out and silencing of GC people, that doesn't appear to have worked and has backfired fairly spectacularly.

I'd really like to understand the background and what ordinary members can do to support the GC women in the current situation.

There's a Zoom mtg for members tomorrow but bang in the middle of kids bedtime so I can't make it unfortunately :(

Can anyone throw any light on this and maybe point in the right direction for more info? Many thanks!

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cariadlet · 10/12/2023 10:48

@WaWarriorN You have hit the nail on the head about the importance of every vote.

The Green Party recently held internal elections. The winners were announced except for that of E and D co-ordinator.

The ERO (electoral returning officer) is a TRA. She is a heterosexual woman married to a heterosexual man but calls herself queer.
The TRAs' preferred candidate didn't win and she found an excuse to rerun the E andD election.

The first time winner won again but one of the TRA candidates didn't take part in the 2nd election, many of their voters transferred their support to the other TRAs and he won by less than 10 votes

We desperately need more left leaning women who care about the environment to join the Green Party to vote for GC candidates and for sensible neutrals who prioritise the environment.

Standard membership rates have just gone up but the reduced rate is only a couple of quid a year.

WarriorN · 10/12/2023 10:11

cariadlet · 10/12/2023 10:08

Hopefully. I'm a member of the Green Party and if Green Party Women but I have heard nothing officially from the Party about the disaffiliation of GPW.

There has also been total silence about Shahrar's case.

Yes me too, there's been no communication.

WarriorN · 10/12/2023 10:10

Thanks so much for these - watching the meeting now.

Emma hits the nail on the head describing how women with these lawful views have been systematically picked off and isolated, which is a shaming technique.

And the desired outcome is to subdue and hope that the impact is to leave the party.

However, these women #willnotwheesht. They are utter heroes.

It may seem contradictory, but joining the party, if you feel green leaning and are not particularly interested in joining other parties, would be extremely supportive right now.

The votes for individuals standing for various roles can be extremely close, sometimes under 10 votes. So every member counts.

Why does this matter? From my point of view this is the party that younger voters are more likely to join. Climate change is a constant conversation in and outside schools. (My 5 year old was rabbiting on about the impact of co2 from something on CBeebies yesterday!) And we know the impact that hardline tra ideas has on younger people.

From personal anecdotal observations it's also more likely to attract autistic young people than other parties. And I don't need to explain the significance of that.

The party needs to return to its scientific roots and focus on what it is meant to focus on.

cariadlet · 10/12/2023 10:08

Hopefully. I'm a member of the Green Party and if Green Party Women but I have heard nothing officially from the Party about the disaffiliation of GPW.

There has also been total silence about Shahrar's case.

Chersfrozenface · 10/12/2023 09:32

Well, at least the BBC coverage should mean there's a chance that Green Party who genuinely didn't know about this are now aware of it.

cariadlet · 10/12/2023 09:04

The recording of the Green Women's Declaration panel event (Emma Bateman, Dawn Furness, Zoe Hatch and Alison Teal talking about their mistreatment by the Green Party) is now up on YouTube and there's a link on the Declaration website.
greenwomensdeclaration.uk/about-us/the-process-is-the-punishment/

cariadlet · 10/12/2023 09:01

Coverage of the disaffiliation of Green Party Women on the BBC website this morning and on Radio 4's 7 o'clock news.
BBC News - Green Party split from group at centre of trans row
www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-67546751

cariadlet · 06/12/2023 16:40

That's ok. Some of us on this thread might have missed it on another thread.

Girls just aren't allowed any boundaries. I'm out of words.

SinnerBoy · 06/12/2023 13:33

Aah!! Wrong thread....

SinnerBoy · 06/12/2023 13:32

Here's a related story from America:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12828501/colorado-transgender-school-serena-wales-share-bed.html

An 11-year-old Colorado girl called her mother in a panic from a hotel bathroom after discovering that the girl she was expected to share a bed with on a school trip was actually a biological male.

Not a room, or a dormitory - a bed!

Jefferson County Public Schools (Jeffco) rules insist that 'under no circumstances' shall a transgender student be required to share a room with children 'whose gender identity conflicts with their own'.

So boys with identity crises are accommodated, but girls can get stuffed.

ArthurbellaScott · 05/12/2023 16:08

I'm so sorry, cariadlet. I'm over being shocked by trans rights activists - I expect bad behaviour from them. It's far more upsetting and disappointing to see the 'good people' do nothing, or look away, or excuse or minimise it.

cariadlet · 05/12/2023 15:55

I advertised last night's Declaration zoom on my local Green Party WhatsApp group and was asked to remove it by a couple of our officers.

Apparently, my posts gave a negative impression of the Party and a local party chat group wasn't the appropriate place to post.

I'm so fed up with Green Party members burying their heads in the sand and not facing up to what's going on.

cariadlet · 05/12/2023 15:52

It was recorded.

I think that the file size is too big for the Declaration website so the plan is to upload it to YouTube and then post a link on the Declaration website.

WarriorN · 05/12/2023 07:28

Was it recorded? I totally forgot about it.

I've been really shocked at how things operate at a local level since becoming more involved.

One of the biggest issues is that there's not enough people who understand real science willing to stand for local roles so they can't be voted in. When there is, they are tending to be voted in.

If anyone fancies joining, your internal votes really do make a huge difference.

thirdfiddle · 05/12/2023 00:31

Yes Cariadlet. Shocking stuff put all together like that. I was very impressed indeed with the speakers - their political pedigree, their articulateness and their guts staying in the party following such blatant abuse of process.

One of the speakers exactly identified the attitude my local Green friends have, we shouldn't be talking about anything except the environment. It doesn't work though. If all you want to talk about is green issues, go and be the environmental wing of a political party that has direction on other stuff. If you want to have an electable party, you need a credible position on key policy questions across the board, and you need to not shit on women in your party.

cariadlet · 04/12/2023 22:11

Did anyone else see tonight's Green Women's Declaration zoom?

It was called The Process is the Punishment. Dawn Furness, Alison Teal, Emma Bateman and Zoe Hatch all spoke of their experiences of being suspended or expelled from the Green Party.

SinnerBoy · 11/11/2023 22:44

Only when it's used by and for women, I think, not visitors to Málaga.

ArthurbellaScott · 11/11/2023 22:13

Ereshkigalangcleg · 11/11/2023 20:12

So they won't have any women's group at all in the Green Party?

Let's face it, they consider the use of the word 'women' beyond the pale.

SidewaysOtter · 11/11/2023 20:20

Are we surprised though?

Ereshkigalangcleg · 11/11/2023 20:12

So they won't have any women's group at all in the Green Party?

ArthurbellaScott · 11/11/2023 20:01

'Green Party Standing Orders Committee has ruled to disaffiliate Green Party Women as a special interest group - silencing representation for approx 25k female members in the party. Causing detriment to members on the basis of sex is ACT OF UNLAWFUL DISCRIMINATION'

ArthurbellaScott · 11/11/2023 20:01

FFS. Outrageous!

WarriorN · 11/11/2023 18:49

Im furious

cariadlet · 11/11/2023 18:32

In the latest move by TRAs in the Green Party, SOC (Standing Orders Committee) this afternoon voted to disaffiliate Green Party Women as an official Special Interest Group.

If you're on Twitter, please tweet/retweet with the hashtag #GreenPartyWomenUnderAttack

twitter.com/GreenFemsUK/status/1723398895818981592?t=thZ2Yc801Gce0HVaLHHG-w&s=19