Butches against transpohobia

Some men who identify as women seem to see having sex with a lesbian (revoltingly known as 'the cotton ceiling') as a badge of 'passing' as a woman.
Just like going into women-only facilities or taking part in womens' sporting events.

@Karwomannghia

Yes…., transmen are female, but they identify as male and many lesbians do not have an issue with this and are clearly against transphobia. According to OP this is wrong?

Thats because the lesbians are seeing them as still female. Because biologically they are. I would date a transman I wouldn’t date a transwoman.

@Bobbotgegrinch

Would you object to a t-shirt that said "Butches against Islamophobia"

Yes, and for exactly the same kind of reason.

"Islamophobia" in practice is expanded to mean just being critical of the ideology. So it's a way to demonise people and try to silence the debate.

I think most lesbians are supportive of people identifying as whatever gender they wish. Butch lesbians present as typically masculine and many lesbians play around with gender in the way they dress etc.

However most recognise that does not change your biological sex. Butch lesbians are still female and recognise that. Being supportive of someone’s right to dress and present how they want is not the same as believing this changes their biology and does not mean we would accept them as sexual partners.

Are you from the 1950s?

Yes…., transmen are female, but they identify as male and many lesbians do not have an issue with this and are clearly against transphobia. According to OP this is wrong?

Men cannot be lesbians.
Ever.

As a lesbian I am same SEX attracted not same gender. It doesn’t matter to me what you identify as I will get along just fine with you but if you have a penis I have no interest in sleeping with you.

Transwomen and Transmen change their gender, you CANNOT change your biological sex it isn’t possible and lesbians are attracted to female sex.

So I would date a pre-op transman but I wouldn’t date a pre-op transwoman. The sex matters not the gender they identify as.

I know it’s now the trend for young lesbian women to ‘include’ biological males in their dating pool and refer to biological men as lesbians but literally every lesbian in my aged 30+ circle thinks the same as I do.

Most won’t say it publicly though because the attacks on lesbians are particularly high right now. We seem to be the main target for the trans rights activists. But then I guess men have been trying to sleep with lesbians since the dawn of time and this is no different.

As a bisexual woman I've been going to bars and clubs with gay and lesbian friends for over two decades. One thing I have noticed a lot in the last decade is that lesbian friends do NOT want to sleep with transwomen, but might be interested in non-binary women or transmen.

Similarly my gay male friends might be interested in transwomen but most wouldn't touch a transman with a barge pole.

Surely a journalist could just look at the results on Grindr and prove for once and for all that sexual attraction is about sex, not gender.

Are you just ignoring the points already made?

Do you really not understand the issue of the term "transphobia" in rhetoric?

Transmen are women who like women. So; lesbians 🤷🏻‍♀️

Transgender idealogy is literally against lesbians though

So....females who go out with females?

They are as far as I'm concerned, and I don't think it's a niche viewpoint.

What? Why can’t you be against transphobia and also not want to be presented with a penis on a date? Ugh such simplistic, divisive thinking.

Would you object to a t-shirt that said "Butches against Islamophobia" even though you don't believe in Allah?

I would be baffled as to why they are caping for such a misogynistic and homophobic ideology.

I know a few lesbians who go out with transmen. Maybe I should let them know they should be transphobic in order to be proper lesbians.

I have a 'favourable view' of chocolate icecream.

Doesn't mean I want to shag it.

As I pointed out to Dadjoke. Most lesbians don't even claim to be sexually interested in MTF. They just aren't vocal about not being, for obvious reasons.

And there we have it, the quote that everyone says never happens on FWR... 'do not believe that trans people exist' wasn't everyone going to write in the the Jo Phoenix trial to say that no GC person has ever actually said this?

I am posting on this thread because of several false claims.

I have a 'favourable view' of chocolate icecream.

Doesn't mean I want to shag it.

You can believe that trans people are their birth sex, you can believe that they are mentally ill, or deluded etc, but they very definitely exist. They are a group of people that believe a certain thing. Would you say that Christians, or Muslims don't exist?

Would you object to a t-shirt that said "Butches against Islamophobia" even though you don't believe in Allah?

You can fundamentally disagree with someone while also being against the hatred of them.

I personally couldn't give a flying fuck about the t-shirt - I support them to wear their slogans in the same way as I don't expect to get grief about wearing my suffragette tartan scarf when I'm out and about.