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School sports

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AlphaTransWoman · 22/10/2023 23:40

Do you think it is ever acceptable to force a child assigned male at birth to participate in contact sports at school such as football or rugby. If so do you appreciate the distress this may cause to children born with a male body who have a female gender identity?

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Datun · 23/10/2023 10:26

Helleofabore · 23/10/2023 10:20

Next we will be told it is unseemly for women to play any sport where she might get warm and perspire.

Oh I dunno. Perhaps a little light archery might be on the cards?

Edwardian, obvs.

Nellodee · 23/10/2023 10:26

Is topping from the bottom the right phrase?

Brefugee · 23/10/2023 10:24

TheOutlaws · 23/10/2023 07:48

Girls play football and rugby too.

At the school I teach at, there’s a PE set for children who don’t like/take part in competitive sport. Many of them are ASD or neurodivergent. All of the PE teachers say that these children make loads of progress in e.g. touch rugby, because they’re not intimidated by the more competitive kids. Perhaps this would have been an appropriate set up for the OP at school? Nothing to do with ‘gender identity’.

that is the most fantastic thing i have learned from any of these threads.

That should be the case for all schools

teawamutu · 23/10/2023 10:24

Helleofabore · 23/10/2023 10:14

It has been said time and time
again. There is a disconnect though. The OP seems incapable of taking it onboard. Hence the suggestions that they are not posting with good faith.

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Taking it on board would inconvenience OP. Women are wonderful and enviable UNTIL their wants and needs mean saying No to males.

At that point, they can be safely ignored.

PowerTulle · 23/10/2023 10:21

I have to say that seems wrong to me given the aversion girls would have to physical sport and competitive activity

Wait til you hear about horse riding OP, it’ll blow your mind!

Datun · 23/10/2023 10:21

Helleofabore · 23/10/2023 10:20

Next we will be told it is unseemly for women to play any sport where she might get warm and perspire.

I suspect the OP merely 'glows'.

Helleofabore · 23/10/2023 10:20

Next we will be told it is unseemly for women to play any sport where she might get warm and perspire.

Helleofabore · 23/10/2023 10:18

And I am always a georgette heyer fan!!

Datun · 23/10/2023 10:16

teawamutu · 23/10/2023 10:08

Slightly off-topic, but I've just read OP's AMA where they advance the view that, should a devout Muslim woman be unable to use a toilet because OP (an obvious male) is in there, that's just the woman's silly fault and problem.

Woman from minority group loses 100% of her provision in order that a male can select their preference from ALL the spaces. Back to the good old urinary leash.

But wants sympathy for not liking rugby?

Fuxake. Cry me a fecking river.

Personally, I don't think it's got anything to do with rugby.

Rugby is the mechanism by which the OP can claim that they're actually a submissive woman.

The OP knows full well that women play sport!!

Helleofabore · 23/10/2023 10:14

teawamutu · 23/10/2023 10:08

Slightly off-topic, but I've just read OP's AMA where they advance the view that, should a devout Muslim woman be unable to use a toilet because OP (an obvious male) is in there, that's just the woman's silly fault and problem.

Woman from minority group loses 100% of her provision in order that a male can select their preference from ALL the spaces. Back to the good old urinary leash.

But wants sympathy for not liking rugby?

Fuxake. Cry me a fecking river.

It has been said time and time
again. There is a disconnect though. The OP seems incapable of taking it onboard. Hence the suggestions that they are not posting with good faith.

Janinejones · 23/10/2023 10:11

LoL Thanks Datun. as elegantly put as GH would have done.

teawamutu · 23/10/2023 10:08

Slightly off-topic, but I've just read OP's AMA where they advance the view that, should a devout Muslim woman be unable to use a toilet because OP (an obvious male) is in there, that's just the woman's silly fault and problem.

Woman from minority group loses 100% of her provision in order that a male can select their preference from ALL the spaces. Back to the good old urinary leash.

But wants sympathy for not liking rugby?

Fuxake. Cry me a fecking river.

Girlontherailreplacementbusservice · 23/10/2023 10:06

When Katherine Switzer wanted to run the Boston marathon she didn't decide she must be a man. She ran as a woman, she defied the authorities that tried to stop her, she physically resisted the men who tried to remove her from the race. That's what a woman is like (just the one mind, not all of them).
History is full of women who challenged sex based restrictions - wearing trousers, boxing, becoming firefighters etc. They didn't shrug and say we have to live with the world as it is. They were/are brave and bold and rejected the limits society try to impose on them. They pushed for opportunities to play sports, to have safe spaces, to have careers and now a generation of men are taking that away rather than fighting for recognition as non conforming men.

Datun · 23/10/2023 10:04

Janinejones · 23/10/2023 09:58

@Datun
"Lol. What a bouncer!"
Georgette, is that you?

Haha!! When you're trying to find a non deletable way of saying stop fucking lying, sometimes only Georgette will do.

Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 23/10/2023 10:04

TaytoCheeseandOnion · 23/10/2023 08:49

Personally, i think there is no reason for women to get involved in contact sports, i mean, that is what cheerleading was invented for, so the ladies could join in a bit.

They're useful for cricket teas too, of course. Nice hearty fare for the teams, and a plate of crustless cucumber sandwiches for the ladies to pick at.

SpiderMaam · 23/10/2023 10:01

all of these ladies are closeted transmen according to OP!

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Janinejones · 23/10/2023 09:58

@Datun
"Lol. What a bouncer!"
Georgette, is that you?

endofthelinefinally · 23/10/2023 09:53

I was useless at sports, hated pe at school, always got picked last. Nothing to do with gender identity nonsense. There are thousands of kids of both sexes just like this. Not everyone is sporty.

SpiderMaam · 23/10/2023 09:52

AlphaTransWoman · 23/10/2023 00:12

I found sports at school to be painful and humiliating - mostly because I always got picked last for teams.

It felt like a punishment for being male.

Maate!

you went to an all-boys school, whoever was picked last was a male!

Rugby isn’t my son’s thing either but it wasn’t an issue in a working class school in the inner city so (no playing field, let alone rugby goal posts)

Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 23/10/2023 09:45

InvisibleDuck · 23/10/2023 04:50

This is what I keep seeing from this poster

OP: I was forced into the blue stereotype box and I hate it. I like the pink one.
Actual Women: Sorry that happened to you, you should have been allowed to express whatever interests and personality you had.
OP: I'm a woman because I love the pink stereotype box!
AW: Actually, we don't like it. It's really restrictive.
OP: But you're women! Women all fit in that box just like I do. That's how I know I'm a woman.
AW: Feminism is about smashing both gender stereotype boxes so people can just be themselves. Women have been fighting for that for a long time.
OP: Men go in the blue box, women go in the pink box, la la la not listening...

Spot on!

Janinejones · 23/10/2023 09:34

Just get on and do it. As someone said you have to do maths and other subjects.
Children are or should be playing touch rugby at school not the same as the full-on adult game.
May we also not devalue language.
Sex is the key word not gender.
One might dislike a sport not hate it.
Back to the real world please.

0rchard · 23/10/2023 09:28

I play rugby and also netball. I am a woman.

UnalterableSpaceCadet · 23/10/2023 09:24

I have to say that seems wrong to me given the aversion girls would have to physical sport and competitive activity. It seems unfair to treat them the same way as boys.

Let me help you there-

Some children have an aversion to physical sport and competitive activity. It seems unfair to treat them the same way as children that don't.

It's got the sum total of fuck all to do with sex or gender identity. Some kids are sporty, some aren't. School PE is a bit shit for those that aren't.

IncomingTraffic · 23/10/2023 09:18

Both my preschooler’s rugby coaches are women who are very keen on rugby. Playing it and teaching kids to play it.

liking rugby is an interest. It’s not a sex characteristic.

donquixotedelamancha · 23/10/2023 09:15

@AlphaTransWoman I went to a sexist school too. I felt exactly as you did in PE- hated every minute of it. It put me off sports for life.

I bought into the idea of having a 'female brain' too when I was younger but I grew to realise that you can be male and hate stereotypically male things and that's fine.

As I said on the last thread- you keep mixing up sex, gender and personality. Your feelings are not sex. Stereotypes (even those with some truth) are not sex.

Your view of what women and men are like is much narrower than most people's. Do you really think this world view makes you happy?