School sports

In principle, given how many children in the UK are obese, I can't agree with this.

In practice, it's not clear how much school PE lessons are actually helping to tackle obesity.

I think school sport should be optional like orchestra, chess club etc. Not everyone is into it and no one should be forced to do it. A child's health and fitness is a parent's responsibility so that excuse doesn't wash either.

Helle - defo overplayed their hand on this thread….

I believe that all this poster's logic hinges on the advice from their therapist who first suggested they were a 'woman'. Now, the entire history has been written with the framing that they were a girl trapped in a male body.

There is no logic. There is no science behind the belief.

But it is all hinging on this person fully believing that they were a girl being forced to do things that apparently no girl was ever forced to do, or that would not have been expected of them as a girl. It is all in their AMA.

We have repeatedly told this poster just how misogynistic their posts are, and their reply was that some of their stereotypes that they base their belief upon are positive, why were we so angry about someone using 'positive' attribute stereotypes? Needless to say, they cannot accept women's point of view, and keep repeating misogynistic notions and other crap takes over multiple threads.

So, when you reframe it to fit the misogyny, the 'logic' works.

"I found sports at school to be painful and humiliating - mostly because I always got picked last for teams.

It felt like a punishment for being male."

This really does point to a strange logic that I cannot make sense of at all. At an all boys school, those picked first were also male - were they rewarded for being male and you punished? Having gone to a mixed school, it was more often the girls picked last, but that's by the by in the logic conversation.

When you decide what factor is influencing an outcome, you need to look at what is different between those with one outcome and the other. Picked first = male, picked last = male, everyone in-between = male. Therefore male is not a factor that is influencing the outcome.

My DH was often picked last, he was tiny for his age, that makes logical sense - do you see the difference?

I would like to see how you drew your conclusion, it points to an interesting conversation on what is happening inside the heads of people who centre their lives around gender.

I've had versions of this conversation so very many times. The socialisation shines through clear and bright.

Oh no. They will still post.

I have been through the utter shock of seeing the misogyny and emotional manipulation posted. I am currently in the ‘it is all futile with this poster’ phase.

What I think, is that someone should get in really quickly on the next one and post a reader’s note so that new readers understand the background here. But it would have to be carefully worded to escape deletion.

Or we can just watch as one by one more women’s interest here is piqued. Sunlight is very refreshing.

Wrong link, it was .

Oh well at least anyone who was feeling sorry for OP on the other threads can stop now

There's nowt wrong with a bit of 'ritualised combat', it can be tremendously good fun. I grew up fighting two brothers, climbing trees and running about on rocky hillsides and loved it. If girls had been allowed to play rugby in the 70s I'd been at the front of the queue. Instead I joined a Judo club and relished the grappling and testing my ability and strength.

Just for fun, here's 11-year old .

Sexist crap. Reporting

Back in 1980 we played a game of hockey against a girls school. I have never been so bruised in all my life. 3 boys were sent off for reacting physically. Where did you get this idea that all girls are delicate flowers? Some are genuinely competitive. Underestimate them at your peril!

Knitting?

What's the next thread going to be? "I like kittens and puppies. Women like kittens and puppies. So I am a woman."

Then you don’t understand a large number of women.

Whether you enjoy this sort of sport has nothing to do with your sex. It has to do with your personality and your physicality.

No I don't they shouldnt be forced but nor should they be entitled to join a female contact sport team.either

Actually Switzer put male on the application form and had her coach pick up the number. This was the actual cause of consternation from the organisers, the fact there was a woman in the men’s division and it could have affected accreditation.

Switzer was not the first woman to run the Boston marathon, that was Bobbi Gibb:

https://www.bbc.com/sport/athletics/66615089.amp

They’ll probably be back. As has been said, it is half-term.

I loved archery (although twanging your boob with the bowspring 😬) and climbing but I only did tasters because they didn't do them at my school.

It seems the OP has done one. Not necessarily a bad thing because they seem to be taking the piss with their comments on women and sport. Obviously never considered how intensely physical childbirth can be.

Ffs assigned rugby at birth 🤡

I believe that in NZ men play netball.

I mean it was the 70s and 80s and i had no choice, and i saw that pp mentioned at their school they separate the competitive from the non-competitive kids.

But OP (over a couple of threads) hasn't managed to answer me this:

Could Alpha seriously stand in front of: Jess Ennis, Martina Navratilova, Riley Gaines, Jill Scott, Serena Williams... and with a straight face tell them that women aren't competitive? I get that Alpha is ND. But i also understand that ND people can understand when told over and over and over and over and over again (ad nauseam ad infinitum) that they are wrong with their gender stereotypes, and offensive with it, and Alpha should just pack it in now. Or be reported for trolling.

Sorry only 2 genders male and female

What you experienced, Alpha, is a universal experience for many, many boys and girls. In your case, it was rugby. In my case, it was hockey. I was good at athletics and could outrun anyone. But when it came to team sports I wasn’t great, and the aggression and determination of the girls playing hockey was pretty intimidating, especially as they took it very seriously and would get annoyed at other players making mistakes. I was often the last to get picked for the team. It does knock your confidence but I had my revenge on sports day as I was a very fast sprinter and could leave them all flailing behind.

Growing up, I also loved The Karate Kid and so I joined a martial arts class. Great fun. I was still a girl, not a boy. I do wonder if you’re trolling with your stereotypes about women being delicate flowers who don’t want to play rough sports.

Ooh. I did archery for a while.

@Brefugee

The PE teachers are really complimentary about the ‘lower set’ (it’s not called this btw) because it’s really more about teaching children cooperation and enjoyment of moving their bodies than trying to improve their dribbling skills, for example

Even in the top sets there’s no ‘pick a team’; everything is done to minimise exclusion.

We have a far higher than average SEND cohort, partly due to having an inclusion base in school. The students are very respectful of differences, and, coincidentally, we don’t have any ‘born in the wrong body’ talk, because children can see that their friends who use wheelchairs might be upset by this assertion.