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AlphaTransWoman · 22/10/2023 23:40

Do you think it is ever acceptable to force a child assigned male at birth to participate in contact sports at school such as football or rugby. If so do you appreciate the distress this may cause to children born with a male body who have a female gender identity?

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DrJump · 23/10/2023 23:21

People feeling they don't have to fit into ridged roles based on thier sex has been the hard fought battle of feminism for a very very long time. It doesn't mean that a person is born in the wrong body.

AFieldGuideToTrees · 23/10/2023 23:07

The OP filled a previous thread where he also just went on and on about the same thing, completely ignoring everyone who bothered to respond.

In the end it comes down to clothes, hair and make up, as it always does.

He no more has a human female brain than my cat does.

OP's previous drivel.

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AlphaTransWoman · 23/10/2023 23:05

@SpiderMaam

Genuine question for you if you think there's no such thing as a male or female brain.

Why do you think gendered socialisation sometimes "fails" and produces individuals who feel they belong to the opposite sex?

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SpiderMaam · 23/10/2023 22:55

Quite.

the only thing that makes my brain a female brain is that it’s inside my female skull, which is attached to my female body.

teawamutu · 23/10/2023 22:19

AlphaTransWoman · 23/10/2023 21:26

The whole point is that trans women DO have what you refer to as "lady brains" in male bodies. That's what makes us trans.

You're clearly not listening to a single one of the women on this thread (total mystery as to why), so here's Professor Sir Robert Winston, who says your sex is embedded in every single cell of your body. Including brain cells.

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PingoDome · 23/10/2023 22:18

It's a man's view of womanhood. That's all.

Tedious sexism, really.

borntobequiet · 23/10/2023 22:08

“lady brain”

No such thing. My female brain in my female body made me like maths, science, competitive sport, adventure stories and action movies. When the time came it made me feel broody, so I had two children and raised and nurtured them.

If anyone thinks they’re “trans”, it’s not down to having one of these weird brains that mysteriously generate suspiciously stereotypical behaviours wrongly associated with the opposite sex.

AllProperTeaIsTheft · 23/10/2023 22:06

The whole point is that trans women DO have what you refer to as "lady brains" in male bodies. That's what makes us trans.

Oh don't be so silly. You have a man's brain. The definition of a man's brain is just a brain that is in the body of a male-born person. It doesn't mean a brain that likes manly things. It is literally impossible to have a woman’s brain in a man's body or vice versa.

SinnerBoy · 23/10/2023 22:00

I can't claim the credit for coming up with it.

titchy · 23/10/2023 21:59

my knowledge on this subject is very limited

You don't say....

Sexnotgender · 23/10/2023 21:58

SinnerBoy · 23/10/2023 03:22

I think that OP is set to broadcast and not receive.

Brilliant 😂

titchy · 23/10/2023 21:57

Surely no one is genuinely daft enough to think this "I can't understand why any female would be interested in participating in such a thing."

Shock You don't think OP identifies as a TW solely based on the fact that they didn't like contact sport at school?

DrJump · 23/10/2023 21:57

“The whole point is that trans women DO have what you refer to as "lady brains" in male bodies. That's what makes us trans.”

But you don’t have a lady brain neither do I neither does my mum or my daughter or my aunt. We have human brains in our female sexed bodies. Our brains are human brains because we are human. That’s it. The rest of the stuff you are saying is male/female is based on personality.

I can not understand why you would want to think you are a woman when you think so little of women. You are taking the most awful sexist stereotypes and saying that is how all women are.

titchy · 23/10/2023 21:55

AlphaTransWoman · 23/10/2023 00:28

@Isthisreasonable

I've always seen contact sports as a sort of ritualised combat, designed to provide a relatively safe outlet for male aggression. I can't understand why any female would be interested in participating in such a thing.

You do understand that girls schools do football and other context sports? And some girls are always picked last? And some girls find PE utterly awful.

It isn't a unique experience to you based on your identity. Most kids feel the same way. Sorry - you're not special. You're experience was big standard.

FusionChefGeoff · 23/10/2023 21:51

BinturongsSmellOfPopcorn · 23/10/2023 00:34

And yet many women do.

Perhaps what you do not understand is women.

Fucking marvellous Grin

Girlontherailreplacementbusservice · 23/10/2023 21:48

ApocalipstickNow · 23/10/2023 21:42

finally I have found the quote button.

I can’t speak for secondary as it’s been about 20 years since I last worked in a mainstream secondary school but I can assure you that this

teachers should work to create an inclusive environment where children are not judged harshly for being bad at sport. They could do this thorough the example they set and by encouraging appropriate behaviour

is ABSOLUTELY how teachers behave in schools these days (and in fairness I’d say the same 20 years ago, although things may be different).

I think offering advice to PE teachers when you’ve not experienced it for 40 years is a bit pointless.

Yep my profoundly dyspraxic DS is really enjoying secondary PE despite being utterly rubbish at it. They are settled and he is in the bottom set (not what they call it but it is what it is) his effort and progress are praised, his teachers are supportive and he is nowhere near the macho alpha sports boys who would look down on him for not being able to catch.

SpiderMaam · 23/10/2023 21:45

But as actual women, female women are capable of playing rugby and don’t have ‘lady brains’ then what in the world are transwomen identifying as?

As Miranda Yardley* once said, ‘a woman is not a feeling inside a man’s head’

*Maybe it wasn’t Mir but I can’t be arsed to google and he won’t be offended if I’m wrong.

ApocalipstickNow · 23/10/2023 21:42

AlphaTransWoman · 23/10/2023 21:28

Mid 1980s. I hope things have got a bit better since then but my knowledge on this subject is very limited.

finally I have found the quote button.

I can’t speak for secondary as it’s been about 20 years since I last worked in a mainstream secondary school but I can assure you that this

teachers should work to create an inclusive environment where children are not judged harshly for being bad at sport. They could do this thorough the example they set and by encouraging appropriate behaviour

is ABSOLUTELY how teachers behave in schools these days (and in fairness I’d say the same 20 years ago, although things may be different).

I think offering advice to PE teachers when you’ve not experienced it for 40 years is a bit pointless.

JanesLittleGirl · 23/10/2023 21:41

BTW if we understand nothing about how you work, it is still more than you understand how we work.

JanesLittleGirl · 23/10/2023 21:39

I might like to ask @AlphaTransWoman if they have always been a dickhead or if this is a characteristic that they have developed over time. I won't ask that because it could be regarded as pejorative but......

Girlontherailreplacementbusservice · 23/10/2023 21:34

The whole point is that trans women DO have what you refer to as "lady brains" in male bodies. That's what makes us trans.

But you grew up being treated as male, you probably had a chess club run by a male teacher, the boys probably took the piss out of any girl that came to chess club, or harassed them or were openly hostile to them. Remember those special awards, candidate lists etc for women because we have traditionally been disadvantaged it one of those situations.

Theeyeballsinthesky · 23/10/2023 21:33

Lady brains 🤪🤪🤪

this is a wind up

the rock is grey and smooth….

Girlontherailreplacementbusservice · 23/10/2023 21:29

AlphaTransWoman · 23/10/2023 21:18

@Girlontherailreplacementbusservice

Why don't you think you should be allowed to play sport with women when you whole heartedly believe you are a woman?

Because my body is physiologically male, despite a long time on female hormones. Fairness in sport is about the body rather than the mind.

I do disagree with the recent decision to exclude trans women from women's chess though - surely upper body strength etc is not a factor there?

But you are a woman and womaning has nothing to do with bodies - it's all about the brain or possibly the feeling and definitely about feeling powerful in a skirt suit while defining women as submissive and happy in supporting roles. Can't you see the contradiction? Because it's so huge it's probably visable from space.

AlphaTransWoman · 23/10/2023 21:28

ApocalipstickNow · 23/10/2023 21:19

@AlphaTransWoman when were you last actually in a school?

How up to date is your knowledge of what goes on in schools now?

Mid 1980s. I hope things have got a bit better since then but my knowledge on this subject is very limited.

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AlphaTransWoman · 23/10/2023 21:26

Girlontherailreplacementbusservice · 23/10/2023 21:24

I do disagree with the recent decision to exclude trans women from women's chess though - surely upper body strength etc is not a factor there?

But surely chess is ritualised combat that us little flowers can't complete on fair terms because we are incapable of being competitive? You can't have it both ways either we have lady brains and men brains and that is the difference between men and women or it is physically difference that count (which by the way do not start and finish with upper body strength).

The whole point is that trans women DO have what you refer to as "lady brains" in male bodies. That's what makes us trans.

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