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My local library won't be stocking Graham Linehan's "Tough Crowd". Anyone else had the same response?

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OccultGnuNew · 19/10/2023 15:52

I've been reading the ongoing discussion on Graham Linehan's book and decided to follow the suggestion within the thread and asked my local library about getting it into stock. I filled out the online form a couple of weeks ago.

Today I had a phone call from the library saying they were very sorry but wouldn't be adding it to their catalogue.

When asked why the response was "our supplier has given it a low rating". I asked for further clarification on what it was being rated as "low" on, the person on the phone didn't know but a low rating meant it wouldn't be being procured for the library.

I said I was aware the author had engaged with some controversial topics and was that the reason for the low rating? Again the person didn't know. I also asked for an example of a book with a high rating and again - don't know - the rating system is applied by the supplier not the library and the library uses the ratings as a guide.

I don't think the person on the phone was being obstructive, they evidently did not know the ins and outs of the rating system and how it was applied and were just passing on the information.

The supplier our library uses is Askews. I'm in a town with a population of 200,000 that has around 15 libraries and I've seen some of the crap they keep on the shelves. Why this is being declined I'm not sure,

Has anyone else come across this?

OP posts:
LockShockandBarrel · 11/11/2023 23:33

My library order came through.
Sorry if you are in the queue behind me, will be giving to partner to read before it goes back!

Lucienandjean · 11/11/2023 23:18

@Wormwoodgal hopefully one of those reservations is mine! I'm glad they've ordered a copy at least.

LilyPAnderson · 11/11/2023 23:15

I accidentally joined Audible by forgetting to cancel the free trial, and thinking of buying Graham's book with the credit I have for this month.
I do admire him standing up against internet bullies. However he has given us so much brilliant and unique comedy, such as Black Books and IT Crowd, I feel we're missing out on more comedy when he has been cancelled from creating new work.
Even if people don't agree with his views on trans, can't he be allowed to have his views and still produce comedy work?

I'll finish with a line from the IT Crowd, "You used to be a man?" "I thought you said you're from Iran".

Wormwoodgal · 11/11/2023 22:58

Lucienandjean · 06/11/2023 13:28

@Wormwoodgal thank you for that link, I've just requested it too! Considering the utter dross Edinburgh libraries do stock, I'm sure they can order a copy of this decent book as well.

Edinburgh update: I originally requested the purchase at one of the suburban libraries, and the assistant said they had put the request on the system and requested that if it was bought it should be reserved for me. They also told me that I would get an email if it was ordered, and there was no need to enquire again.
Being a disobedient woman I asked at Edinburgh Central Library today - yes, it's on order and there are three reservations for it ... none of them mine!
So now I've reserved it. Again.

magicmole · 06/11/2023 18:08

ChristinaXYZ · 06/11/2023 16:31

Ask them to get it into stock for you. Interlibrary loan - they can borrow from other areas. Or ask them to buy it in because you're requesting it. My library will do this for a nominal fee (a couple of quid I think).

Yes think it's the same in Leics that for £1 you can request they buy a book.

Hope you're feeling better soon @GurlWithACurl

AmadeustheAlpaca · 06/11/2023 18:07

Slothtoes · 06/11/2023 13:42

Also keen to read the Madonna book now I’ve seen that exists..

I’ve reserved the Madonna book too. I’m not a huge fan of hers, but she’s had an interesting colourful life, worth a read.
On a separate note, cheers to everyone in Edinburgh who has requested that the council libraries buy GL’s book.

ChristinaXYZ · 06/11/2023 16:31

Ask them to get it into stock for you. Interlibrary loan - they can borrow from other areas. Or ask them to buy it in because you're requesting it. My library will do this for a nominal fee (a couple of quid I think).

GurlWithACurl · 06/11/2023 15:44

@magicmole I had an acknowledgment of my message to them, but have not had a proper response. As soon as I am well enough, I will follow this up. Thanks for reminding me!

Imnobody4 · 06/11/2023 14:57

I put in a stock suggestion request a fortnight ago. Just checked catalogue before following up and they now have 2 copies on order with requests on them.
This is Notts, I'm still not sure of the role of suppliers in this. Authorities using Askews could have been caught by them giving it a poor review. (Not an excuse though)

magicmole · 06/11/2023 14:34

@GurlWithACurl Did you get any further with Leics? I'm just being nosy because Notts and Lincs are both stocking it.

And I had to laugh when I saw what example LCC has used to illustrate how to use their catalogue search.

My local library won't be stocking Graham Linehan's "Tough Crowd".  Anyone else had the same response?
magicmole · 06/11/2023 14:17

When OP started the thread I checked the catalogue here and there was no sign of GL's book. I was going to wait a couple more weeks and then request it but today it's showing as on order. They're only getting one copy but still...
So thanks for the reminder vipers as I've now reserved it as well as the Hannah Barnes book.

JustKen · 06/11/2023 13:47

In my borough there are three copies and there are 18 people on the request list.

Slothtoes · 06/11/2023 13:42

Also keen to read the Madonna book now I’ve seen that exists..

Slothtoes · 06/11/2023 13:41

My local authority libraries have bought it and I don’t know if that’s because I requested it or not but I have reserved it and I’m looking forward to reading it.

Lucienandjean · 06/11/2023 13:28

@Wormwoodgal thank you for that link, I've just requested it too! Considering the utter dross Edinburgh libraries do stock, I'm sure they can order a copy of this decent book as well.

FloweryWowery · 06/11/2023 12:59

FloweryWowery · 20/10/2023 14:18

Couldn't find it in Leeds. Phoned my local library who are emailing the library support team who will call me to let me know whether it's worth them buying it or not.

I phoned today to chase. Apparently the conversation i had last time about phoning me to let me know whether it is a book worthy of purchasing or not isn't the case and an email wasn't sent which I guess it couldn't have been if there's no one who performs this role. Anyway, it's been ordered and they'll email me when it's in and I'll give them two quid.

AmadeustheAlpaca · 04/11/2023 01:18

It’s not on the Edinburgh council library catalogue though they seem to have fast tracked the Madonna book which was published ten days after Tough Crowd. Nothing against Madonna, just using that as an example of how the library can acquire books quickly when they want. I’ve completed the online request form for suggestions for books to purchase but I have zero hopes that GL’s book will appear in my local library. Edinburgh council are completely captured, this after all is the city where the head of the Rape Crisis centre is a man in a dress.

Melroses · 03/11/2023 18:54

I have my library copy 😁

Zita60 · 03/11/2023 09:03

PrimitivePerson · 20/10/2023 20:31

Almost certainly not censorship or conspiracy, it's just that libraries are skint.

In my local authority area, they've stopped buying everything apart from popular fiction due to funding cuts.

More than one reason is available for things happening, and cock-up is far more likely than conspiracy.

Not necessarily. My local library has bought many transgender books, but the only gender critical book they appear to have is one copy of Helen Joyce's Trans.

Zita60 · 03/11/2023 08:47

I've just checked my local library catalogue. Graham Linehan, Sharron Davies and Kathleen Stock aren't listed as authors, so their books aren't available. They do have one copy of Helen Joyce's Trans.

The catalogue includes lots of books that are pro-trans, including Shon Faye and Elliot Page's books, and several books about "trans" children.

This area is mostly Tory-voting, so it's not as if it's a "woke" area whose population would be horrified to see gender critical books in the local libraries.

Disappointing.

Zita60 · 03/11/2023 08:31

rocknrollaa · 19/10/2023 17:06

People are being a bit hysterical talking about censorship.

Libraries don't stock every single book that is ever published - if only they had that kind of funding!

I haven't even heard of this book, it's got 95 reviews on Amazon, it's not exactly a massive bestseller.

It will be because of that, not because of its content.

If you want it then request it, if enough people request it then they'll get it.

It's on the Sunday Times bestseller list, number 10 in General hardbacks.

https://archive.ph/MSyRA

Villagetoraiseachild · 01/11/2023 17:33

I feel like we need an active map of the UK for this, lt will give a good indication of how the land lies, literally in some cases....

LockShockandBarrel · 26/10/2023 20:17

So we have one copy in my local library which has a queue suspiciously stalled at exactly 8 as above... But saw the library has enough resources to buy 'Surviving Transphobic' prominently by the children's section.

I assume it's not a blank joke book like Goves things I know about education...

B12B12 · 26/10/2023 18:13

Ha! RB Kensington & Chelsea have 1, yes 1 copy on order after I requested it last week 🙄

socialdilemmawhattodo · 25/10/2023 22:19

Just added my name to the Kent reserve list. Wierd I am number 10 but there are only 8 on the list!