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The Royal College of Veterinary Surgeons has left Stonewall

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PriOn1 · 18/10/2023 18:06

It appears that the RCVS quietly left Stonewall this year. I haven’t been able to find any information regarding this change, other than the Veterinary Record article pictured. That, despite the fact that I was one of the vets mentioned in the article who wrote to them, albeit a year earlier, regarding their continued membership of the scheme.

I’m glad they have left and hope that their comment about not requiring external help with diversity, which mirrors one I made in my correspondence, is true and they do not move over to any other transactivist groups.

To my fellow veterinary professionals, I hope this news is a relief to you, as it is to me. Thank you also to my fellow Mumsnetter, who alerted me to this news.

The Royal College of Veterinary Surgeons has left Stonewall
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Rudderneck · 20/10/2023 16:15

Beowulfa · 20/10/2023 10:10

I wonder if there is a lot of crossover between veganism and the blue-haired and their Be Kind useful idiot allies? Especially in places like Brighton.

You can't have a debate about the ethics of livestock farming without acknowledging the biological reality of sex-based outcomes for calves, chicks, piglets etc.

That's an interesting question.

I think that might be true to some extent about vet techs, more so with people heavily involved in animal rescue.

Many of these people are not very good on ecology type thinking. So it's about how individuals feel and being nice to them, rather than looking at larger systems or complex sets of interactions.

I'm not so sure about with vets though. Most of the vets I go to are rural, and it's difficult to be a romantic rural vet (which is why I go to them.) Though it is harder and harder to find them, it's harder work and less money.

Beowulfa · 20/10/2023 10:10

I wonder if there is a lot of crossover between veganism and the blue-haired and their Be Kind useful idiot allies? Especially in places like Brighton.

You can't have a debate about the ethics of livestock farming without acknowledging the biological reality of sex-based outcomes for calves, chicks, piglets etc.

MargotBamborough · 20/10/2023 10:01

To be fair, I would expect people who spay and neuter animals as part of their job to be more than a little sceptical about the idea that "male" and "female" are identities, and to understand that gender is a human construct.

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PriOn1 · 20/10/2023 06:32

Cats and dogs are like red/green colour blind humans, so they can see some colours.

We tested out our dog with various toys and also gave they the option of beige, which them chose, so I can only assume they is non-binary.

If only the vet who watched them being born had been more woo-adjacent, we would never have thought they was he.

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Jux · 19/10/2023 23:25

Transanimals eh? This is why my very male cat squeaks like a girlie when s/he's playing String.

Cailin66 · 19/10/2023 23:05

DeeplyMovingExperience · 18/10/2023 18:25

"I'm not a vet but I know what a dog is."

My vet is finding it difficult to understand that our dog is a cat. Maybe I need Inkjets vet.

HootyMcBooby76 · 19/10/2023 22:56

JanesLittleGirl · 19/10/2023 22:10

I thought that cats and dogs only see in monochrome. How can kittens and puppies decide whether they prefer pink or blue.

Waiting to be told that they have polychromatic vision.

They identify as having coloured vision.

So it's true.

JanesLittleGirl · 19/10/2023 22:10

I thought that cats and dogs only see in monochrome. How can kittens and puppies decide whether they prefer pink or blue.

Waiting to be told that they have polychromatic vision.

RealFeminist · 19/10/2023 21:05

CraggyIslandTouristBoard · 19/10/2023 21:00

Apparently if you write SOME OF YOUR POINTS IN CAPITAL letters is makes them IRREFUTABLE and DEMONSTRABLY TRUE.

GOOD TAE KNOW

CraggyIslandTouristBoard · 19/10/2023 21:00

Apparently if you write SOME OF YOUR POINTS IN CAPITAL letters is makes them IRREFUTABLE and DEMONSTRABLY TRUE.

ArabellaScott · 19/10/2023 20:49

Fourgenders good, twogenders bad!

Toomanycaketins · 19/10/2023 19:34

I might be inclined to chunter slightly less about the under care guidelines now

HootyMcBooby76 · 19/10/2023 19:29

Froodwithatowel · 19/10/2023 19:25

I think you're supposed to wave pink and blue and barbies and GI Joes, or knitting and spot welding at it, one in each hand, and see what it looks towards.

Those being of course current fashionable human UK stereotypes rather than dog ones, but it's not like sense or logic ever matters or anything.

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No, no no.

You chuck a pink ball and a blue ball and see which one it runs after of course.
Kittens - pink ball of wool vs blue ball of wool.

Froodwithatowel · 19/10/2023 19:25

I think you're supposed to wave pink and blue and barbies and GI Joes, or knitting and spot welding at it, one in each hand, and see what it looks towards.

Those being of course current fashionable human UK stereotypes rather than dog ones, but it's not like sense or logic ever matters or anything.

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PriOn1 · 19/10/2023 17:33

What is this sex binary thing of which you speak.

How often have I stood, swathed in green, musing under those burning lights on whether the newborn puppy in my begloved hand is exhibiting girl-gender or boy-gender traits?

More often than I can remember!

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Chersfrozenface · 19/10/2023 14:23

The thing is, anyone who works in veterinary medicine knows full well that there are only two immutable sexes in mammals.

But sex is a spectrum, and changeable, in humans? So presumably we are not mammals. Lower than angels, higher than animals, eh?

Who knew the Great Chain of Being was still a thing. We really are going backwards at a rate of knots. There"s nothing progressive about it.

HootyMcBooby76 · 19/10/2023 13:54

Gettingbysomehow · 18/10/2023 18:15

Why would they be part of it. I cant imagine trans animals are a thing.

As a veterinary nurse for 15 years, I can confirm that a LOT of vets and nurses (particularly nurses) are full on TWAW. The discussions I have overheard in the staff room beggar belief from so called science professionals.

Vet nursing often attracts some "alternative" people (nothing wrong with that of course) but they are often also the people who seem to share the trans ideology.

I can confirm also that some vets do not believe sex is binary. Batshit crazy I know, but there you go, straight from the (non-binary) horse's mouth, so to speak.

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PriOn1 · 19/10/2023 12:21

musicalfrog · 19/10/2023 11:20

Great news. More please!

I will certainly let you know if I find out anything more. I am in contact with a few people and almost nobody has heard about it.

As for the gender and not sex thing, I also recall that change occurring in various places. I had little idea then what was driving it, or how pernicious it would be.

I do wonder whether our small campaign was what prompted the change, albeit a year on, or whether something else has emerged behind the scenes.

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Chersfrozenface · 19/10/2023 11:40

Let's hope they now do something about the practice management systems referred to on the "I was asked my dog's gender" thread.

"Believe it or not veterinary practice management systems, which all vets use to store your pets clinical records, also have gender rather than sex on the patient details file. It's been irritating me for quite some time! I think it changed from sex around 10 years ago."

musicalfrog · 19/10/2023 11:20

Great news. More please!

FeelingVeryDisturbed · 18/10/2023 20:15

@PriOn1
What very welcome - and interesting - news.
Any insider info on the movers and shakers?

I'm still Feeling Very Disturbed by the numbers of colleagues who believe in gender-woo.
But at least my retention fee won't be funding Stonewall anymore.

Now, just to address the pronoun options on my corporate email header.....

FortunaMajor · 18/10/2023 20:08

My female dog keeps humping my leg in public. I don't know if she's lesbian, trans or just a fucking bitch.

Great news though. The more money they lose the better.

Froodwithatowel · 18/10/2023 19:36

You're much better behaved than me. I'd have written 'demi boi starchild' on the grounds that ask a silly question, and you're going to get a silly answer. And I really don't have a sensible dog.

SinnerBoy · 18/10/2023 19:19

PriOn1 · Today 18:06

To my fellow veterinary professionals, I hope this news is a relief to you, as it is to me. Thank you also to my fellow Mumsnetter, who alerted me to this news.

Ah. I think I know now why, when my dog had an operation for mammary cancer last January, the form for her details had "Gender." I sighed, bit my tongue and wrote "Female."

(Soft as shite short haired Golden Lab, still plodding along at the age of 12).