18th October is International Pronouns Day

My late mum taught at a tiny village school in the 60s where that wouldn't have raised an eyebrow. 'Miss, us've had we lunch, can us gerrowt and play?'

My father would rarely lapse into his native Yorkshire but would sometimes make a request "gie oos a spice" (please may I have a sweet, for them as needs a translation)

My late mum taught at a tiny village school in the 60s where that wouldn't have raised an eyebrow. 'Miss, us've had we lunch, can us gerrowt and play?'

Yes. One would never mess that up, would one?

Now, why am I thinking of the game that Ted plays with his pals in The Fast Show - where you have to insert the name of a different vegetable every other word?!

😅😅😅

Yes. One would never mess that up, would one?

Ah yes, her was lucky to have been sucked off

I read your last sentence in the voice of the Mary character from Ghosts, her who has now ascended to she rest in a better place.

My pronouns are her/she and are to be used the opposite way around to she/her.

Cool; I'll have cad/bury for mine!

If this thing truly is meant to be international, it will presumably include all pronouns in all languages - whether standard in those languages or made up - including languages that English speakers often find almost impossible to pronounce, or even to hear the nuances of.

Some of the pronouns brigade might find this difficult to come to terms with - as do we when they expect everybody else to remember what pronouns they've randomly claimed, which may well change from day to day. Some of them even confuse themselves and forget what pronouns they demanded yesterday.

If we've already well and truly breached the 'reasonable' barrier with pronouns, surely they can be whatever you want them to be? I presume you could tell people that your pronouns are an entire song or a Shakespeare soliloquy or something, so it will take them several minutes and a super memory every time they want to refer to you. They can hardly tell you that your non-standard pronouns are ridiculous, but theirs aren't, can they?

My pronouns are her/she and are to be used the opposite way around to she/her. An example is TWETMIRF has announced she pronouns and her would appreciate you using them correctly.

DS was watching a Minecraft video on YouTube the other day and everyone's pronouns were on screen with their names. One individual's pronouns were she/them. I'm still baffled.

@mcduffy thank you for that article, the extract at the end that linked the virtue signalling crap of IPD to the real world harm it is enabling actually made me tearful. Perhaps next we should use IPD as a day of remberence for all the people damaged directly and indirectly by the gender madness.

I am hanging in for international day of pronoun remembrance, for all the pronouns that we used to have.

This is a decent read and restored my faith in humanity a bit. Some different perspectives I hadn't even thought of but agree woth.

https://seen-network.uk/posts/2023-10-18-lets-talk-about-pronouns/

From Twitter, several people jumping to conclusions before clicking

https://x.com/seennetwork/status/1714692534939619483?s=48&t==_KkB6040Dj0W-bgsXLly5w

I would like to highlight a recent (to me) phenomenon.

She/her/hers First name Second name
They/them/themselves First name Second name

The first few times I saw it, I thought it was a sequencing/database error but it's now increasingly common so I think this is intentional for some people now to have signatures, profiles, Zoom/Teams chyrons, email names in which the pronouns precede the name.

Field: healthcare.

The only reason misgendering is triggering is that it reinforces just how unsuccessful most transitions are. Like all mammals we retain the ability to identify male and female, probably by scent, we just don’t necessarily use it since there are so many visual clues. And for that matter auditory and behavioural clues. Online it’s easy to use filters to enhance photos but in real life most people aren’t fooled.
I watched “Married at first site “ recently and it took me nano seconds to work out that one of the women was trans. The same with the current Big Brother series.
I really do object to being asked what my pronouns are and now answer” take an educated guess”.

What's so triggering is that those triggered by 'misgendering' or 'deadnaming' are not secure in their identities as transgender people.

I take your point. English as she is spoken works for me because it is my native language. Your example would never cause confusion for anybody who speaks English as their first language. The reason that I am interested and try to explore how spoken language works is that three of my grandparents did not speak English as their first language and I was always fascinated by how they built their sentences.

Inclusive and exclusive we is from the point of view of the person being addressed, not the person talking. So if I say 'we're having supper about 7', then clearly the we includes me (the speaker), but it might or might not include the person I'm talking to. It could be 'we're having supper about 7 so please be ready by then' or 'we're having supper about 7 so please don't call then'. Some languages don't have this problem because they have different words for the inclusive and exclusive forms.

We is me and at least one more person. If I'm not included then it's you if you're included or they if you aren't.

If we're bringing back thou, I have long thought that English could do with a distinction between the inclusive and exclusive first person plural: when you say 'we' do you mean you and me (possibly with some other people), or you and other people without me?

Pronouns cannot be international. This is a completely anglo-centric view of language.

Just to clarify, does the international bit of “international pronouns day” reference the international nature of pronouns? Can I have different pronouns in different countries?

”Ah, I see we have crossed the border into Lichtenstein. My pronouns are now zi/zir/zirself.”

I know the feeling 😕 I missed international talk like a pirate day....me hearties!

It's not the same, aarr!

Oh no! I missed it. never mind I will try to do better next year.

Just realised I've been misgendered when I was younger ( unisex name)
Can I be utterly offended now please - I could do with a bit of compo 🤷‍♀️ 💴

Fortunately my employer, who is a fully paid up Stonewall member, only chose to acknowledge this.

They do sometimes ask for pronouns but nobody has asked me yet. If they do, I’m just going to say with a straight face that I don’t have any, and see what they do with that.

(I have recently put a tiny GC flag above the parapet and raised a polite concern with my manager about some training at work, so let’s see how that goes too. I’d not have been brave enough a year ago)