Andrew Miller/Amy George thread 2

Not only has AM dressed & posed as a woman for some time (long enough to 'qualify' under current Scottish Rules), but AM posted on local FB (as 'amy george') about Westminster interfering in Scottish Gender Policy (basically telling them to keep noses out). It struck me at the time as quite combative.

@TaytoCheeseandOnion You make excellent points.
AM absolutely considers himself a spokesperson for Trans people in Scotland.
If I were part of that group I'd want to disassociate myself sharpish.

See, heres the thing. The vast vast majority of the trans community are not predators. But they have created an umbrella that gives predators shelter. There are two main groups to be concerned about. Criminals with rapid onset trans identity in the face of prosecution, and men with fetishes and parafilias, known to be risk factors for sexual offending, claiming a trans identity.

The whole edifice of gender ideology is totally dependent on the denial of reality and the suspension of disbelief. So, to prevent the whole thing coming tumbling down, the trans community accept these men and views the risks they pose to women and children as simply collateral damage. There have been too many crystal clear examples of the dangers of gender ideology for them to plead ignorance. They will not talk about or seek to manage the predators under their rainbow umbrella, and shout bigot at anyone who does.

It really is time for the trans community to have a serious conversation about this.

This is from the STV news site on 18th May this year. Another media outlet rather than court records, but it backs up the BBC paragraph

"The court was told that Miller was in the process of transitioning to female but chose to be identified by his birth name.

"On social media, Miller also goes by Amy George and described himself as the owner of the Millers of Melrose butchers."

Many thanks again @JanesLittleGirl and @Chersfrozenface . That's really helpful.

The only reference is:

"I note that you are recorded by the risk assessor as talking in detail about your desire to limit the impact of your offending on what is referred to as the wider trans community."

There is a clear implication that AM regards himself as a member of that community.

In the BBC News story it says
"In May, the court was told that Miller identifies as transgender and in the process of transitioning to female."

So I presume that would be in the records of the May hearing, if they are available to the public.

@MotherEarthisaTerf and @JanesLittleGirl - thank you very much. What a horrendous summing up :(
I think I might be missing the crucial element somewhere - does it state that he "identified" as a woman/trans in general prior to this crime? I know it says he wants to "protect the trans community", but is there an explicit statement that he considered himself trans/a woman?

The judges summing up is available online. Trigger warning though

judiciary.scot/home/sentences-judgments/sentences-and-opinions/2023/10/18/hma-v-andrew-miller

Ah sod it.
F*ck the 'trans community' he's so concerned about. No outrage on social media, no trans organisations making a statement, India Willyboy oddly silent. No words about the victims suffering. Nothing.
Silence is complicity.

@ArabellaScott sorry to ask - I'm sure you and others will have said, but I can't find it right now... do you know where I can find the best evidence to cite for this? Important to something at work meeting... TIA

They don’t care about women and girls. They say they can’t use the men’s loos because men are so horribly dangerous, but don’t understand or respect that yes, exactly, that’s why we don’t want men in our loos, thanks.

It’s such a selfish, blinkered mentality.

' I note that you are recorded by the risk assessor as talking in detail about your desire to limit the impact of your offending on what is referred to as the wider trans community. By way of contrast, however, the assessor reports that, during her discussions with you, you appeared to deflect from the harm your sexual assaults have caused to your victim. You denied that any harm had come to her during her days as your captive, and, while you used the term “inappropriate”, you avoided the use of the word “harm”. You even appeared to place the responsibility for your offending onto your victim.'

You know, it really does seem to me that for all that trans women insist they are women, they don't seem to feel much solidarity with "cis" women and girls. This guy is capable of empathy, or he wouldn't be worried about the impact of his actions on other trans people. It's just that he doesn't extend that sympathy to the "cis" girl he assaulted.

It's Eddie Izzard's girl/boy mode used for the most nefarious of purposes. The fact that certain elements of the press are kowtowing to Miller's wishes for "the wider trans community" is absolutely disgusting.

Yes I thought that too Mavis. He gives off Buffalo Bill vibes. Thank god that poor girl had the bravery to call for help.

That is shocking, I wonder how many got through the 'gender reassignment' process while keeping this paedophilic motivation quiet.

I remember reading an article from Ray Blanchard where he said that he encountered many autogynephiliacs who would lie about the fetishistic motivation on the basis that they would be excluded from transitioning if they told the truth.

I keep thinking about the poor little girl thinking she was safe getting in the car with a woman.

It reminds me of this study where the reasons for why certain people did not make it through the assessment process for gender reassignment were revealed. The link with paedophilia is noted in the academic literature.

https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/the-psychiatrist/article/gender-reassignment-5-years-of-referrals-in-oxfordshire/6B5F217162ABD9B3189F2EB82787034E
"Reasons for non-referral to a specialist centre included being deemed not ready for transitioning (either determined by the individual or because the person was not currently living in the desired gender role), being homosexual but not having gender identity disorder, having an autism-spectrum disorder with a significant degree of impairment such that the real-life experience criterion was not met, and seeking gender reassignment to facilitate or normalise paedophilia. This latter small group described gender reassignment as a means by which to increase their intimate contact with children, which they viewed to be more socially acceptable in a female role.

Of course, self-ID would mean all these men would be handwaved through.

Not only this, but a significant proportion of known sadistic murderers are known to have gotten sexual satisfaction from cross-dressing, a fetish which, for these individuals, accelerated into actual violence.

Peter Sutcliffe, Ed Gein, Haddon Clark, Henry Lee Lucas, Edward Cole, Russell Williams, Jerry Brudos, to name a few.

Ray Blanchard has written about this link.

When JK Rowling published Troubled Blood, a number of the woke bien pensant raised an outcry, in numerous think pieces, claiming that making a link between serial killing and cross dressing was transphobic.

In fact the link between transvestite paraphilias and the apparent propensity of a minority of cross dressers to sexual and/or homicidal violence must be further explored as a matter of urgency.

But aren’t cross dressing men in Scotland protected under hate crime bill ?

that poor wee girl. How brave she was to get away.

he really planned that with his hidden room

SNP really emboldened this man. And yes I think he would have been put into women’s jail if the whole Bryson thing hadn’t been exposed

I think it says it all that this individual is more concerned about "harming the speshul community's fragrant reputation" than about the actual harm he inflicted on his poor victim.

And I also think it says it all about the Right Side of History media and useful idiots, who have exactly the same priorities.

There's a certain hypocrisy to the BBC and Guardian describing him as 'a man dressed as a woman' in their attempts to minimise the trans aspect

It’s not hypocrisy, it’s pure malevolence: a determination to protect abusive men and their own journalistic reputations. They don’t care about women and girls.

HIs 'concern' for the Trans community (rather than his victim) is just more 'look at me' braggadocio. He is allowed to decide which name & gender he is sentenced under. Quelle surprise, after years of 'Amy George' he is now Andrew Miller again. So, when he formally 'transitions' inside jail (to get into a female jail) he can then come out with a new 'female' identity. He is STILL calling the shots.

catduckgoose · Today 14:13

This doesn't seem to be unusual amongst men with this paraphilia, on the trans forums there are so many men confessing to stealing clothes and particularly intimate garments from their sisters or mothers.

I don't think it's confession, I think it's bragging.

I don't much care whether he is trans or not.

What I do care about is the insanity whereby women (and girls, of course) are forced to accept men into women-only spaces simply on their say-so. It is no longer acceptable for us to say to the gym receptionist, "There is a man with his dick out in the changing rooms, please sort it out." Or, at the supermarket, "There is a man in the women's toilets." Or, "There is a man masturbating in the women's showers."

Women across the country (the world, in fact) are nasty transphobic bigots if we dare to say such things. These perverts are women, obviously, and we are the ones in the wrong.