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Tough Crowd - Graham Linehan

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Greenfairy2468 · 17/10/2023 23:42

I pre ordered this book ages ago, just got an email from Amazon saying my order is delayed and they'll let me know when they'll despatch it.

Had this happened to anyone else? Is the publication delayed or have the not got enough??

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windypumpkin · 03/11/2023 12:32

AtrociousCircumstance · 03/11/2023 10:36

@NutellaEllaElla If she’s scared she’s scared. A lot of people are justifiably frightened of receiving abuse and discrimination for being GC. Encouragement and understanding works better than shame to foster future courage.

Thank you so much for that. It's not often I get upset by a comment on the Internet but that one got me. I am trying to learn more.

windypumpkin · 03/11/2023 12:31

NutellaEllaElla · 03/11/2023 08:42

I actually cringed reading that. Graham is brave and you're too scared to even borrow his book from the library. I'm no warrior but that takes the biscuit.

Cringe at me all you want. I'm new to the arguments. I'm not a warrior. I'm exploring what I think about it and this book has got me interested to find out more. I live in a very "woke" place and yes, I'm scared to borrow it from the library.

HoisttheMainSail · 03/11/2023 11:54

I’ve just bought it on Audible.

It’s currently no 20 there in Biography, which is amazing since it’s only sold what, about 400 copies all in for print, Kindle and audiobook. It must be some kind of magic!

nettie434 · 03/11/2023 10:57

Does anyone know if authors get any royalties every time a book of theirs gets loaned from libraries?

Yes, it's called Public Lending Right. It's not the same as sales from a book purchase but it's definitely a good source of income.

ArthurbellaScott · 03/11/2023 10:56

1975wasthebest · 03/11/2023 10:53

I reserved a copy from my library and it should be ready to collect sometime next week. I would love to support him more, but I can’t justify spending approximately £15 for a book. Does anyone know if authors get any royalties every time a book of theirs gets loaned from libraries?

Yes, they do. PLR is a nice wee extra. And requesting from the library means others get to read it too.

1975wasthebest · 03/11/2023 10:53

I reserved a copy from my library and it should be ready to collect sometime next week. I would love to support him more, but I can’t justify spending approximately £15 for a book. Does anyone know if authors get any royalties every time a book of theirs gets loaned from libraries?

IcakethereforeIam · 03/11/2023 10:46

@windypumpkin I hope you get the book and enjoy reading it. You can order it directly from the publisher, Eye Books (just Google it). It's probably not the cheapest but they may send one with Glinner's signature. And they deliver it in a plain brown envelope 😊

Muckspout · 03/11/2023 10:40

I have checked my county's library catalogue and Graham's book is not listed. I will put in a request.

I started looking at GC vs TRA titles which was interesting. There is only one copy of each GC book but TRA titles had multiple copies.

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AtrociousCircumstance · 03/11/2023 10:36

@NutellaEllaElla If she’s scared she’s scared. A lot of people are justifiably frightened of receiving abuse and discrimination for being GC. Encouragement and understanding works better than shame to foster future courage.

Beowulfa · 03/11/2023 10:19

MavisMcMinty · 03/11/2023 10:15

I used to buy Abba records “for my Mum”, to avoid embarrassment in the places we used to call record shops.

I had to like The Prodigy in secret, and record their songs off the radio, but not write the title in the cassette inlay card, as my friends were into guitar music and sneered at dance.

Picked my copy of the book up from Waterstones last night. Also Hags so a nice double bill there.

MavisMcMinty · 03/11/2023 10:15

I used to buy Abba records “for my Mum”, to avoid embarrassment in the places we used to call record shops.

NutellaEllaElla · 03/11/2023 08:42

I actually cringed reading that. Graham is brave and you're too scared to even borrow his book from the library. I'm no warrior but that takes the biscuit.

windypumpkin · 03/11/2023 05:42

AtrociousCircumstance · 02/11/2023 22:05

@windypumpkin Don’t be too scared. If anyone is weird with you at the till (which they won’t be) claim innocence: “Oh I’m buying it for my aunt because she loves Father Ted!”

Great idea! OK thank you. Especially with Christmas coming up

PermanentTemporary · 02/11/2023 23:26

Great read, gulped it down today. A warm, wounded and sometimes disturbing book.

Maybe I shouldn't have laughed quite as much as I did at the correction note under the Guardian review saying that it had originally called him British - 'he is Irish'. Bloody hell, sloppiness RUs. I do still subscribe to the Guardian because its particular brand of nonsense is imo less offensive than the Times or Telegraph, but sometimes it is incredibly obtuse.

AtrociousCircumstance · 02/11/2023 22:07

And it’s a great read, reflective of great courage, and very clear on the issues surrounding how trans activism negatively impacts women’s rights and the safety of children. Also it’s an entertaining and funny read too.

AtrociousCircumstance · 02/11/2023 22:05

@windypumpkin Don’t be too scared. If anyone is weird with you at the till (which they won’t be) claim innocence: “Oh I’m buying it for my aunt because she loves Father Ted!”

Loopyloooooo · 02/11/2023 22:00

Can someone cleverer than me point me in the right direction for being able to purchase this from the publisher please? Website?

ETA: just seen the link on the first page, apologies I'm half asleep tonight. Can't wait to read this, well bloody done Graham.

windypumpkin · 02/11/2023 20:37

ArthurbellaScott · 02/11/2023 20:35

It's a bestselling book. What are you worried about?

Being accused of aligning myself with his views when I haven't decided how I feel yet. Having some sales assistant start calling me all sorts in a shop.

windypumpkin · 02/11/2023 20:36

Catscatscatscatscatscats · 02/11/2023 20:31

Why are you worried about using the library?

You have to use your card and it gets linked to your name and address

ArthurbellaScott · 02/11/2023 20:35

windypumpkin · 02/11/2023 20:08

Hi I have no idea if I agree with Graham's views or not but I would like to read what he has to say. Thing is I'm a bit scared to get it out the library if it's even there and I don't want to order online/buy it from a person. I know that sounds ridiculous. Anyway what I was wondering was does anyone know if this is in tesco or whsmith - where I can buy using the self checkout

It's a bestselling book. What are you worried about?

Catscatscatscatscatscats · 02/11/2023 20:31

windypumpkin · 02/11/2023 20:08

Hi I have no idea if I agree with Graham's views or not but I would like to read what he has to say. Thing is I'm a bit scared to get it out the library if it's even there and I don't want to order online/buy it from a person. I know that sounds ridiculous. Anyway what I was wondering was does anyone know if this is in tesco or whsmith - where I can buy using the self checkout

Why are you worried about using the library?

cheshirecatssmile · 02/11/2023 20:26

Started reading my copy last night. I found the beginning, his younger life difficult to follow as I was born late 70's. I am now in the father ted era and enjoying the book, I gather it only gets more interesting.

windypumpkin · 02/11/2023 20:08

Hi I have no idea if I agree with Graham's views or not but I would like to read what he has to say. Thing is I'm a bit scared to get it out the library if it's even there and I don't want to order online/buy it from a person. I know that sounds ridiculous. Anyway what I was wondering was does anyone know if this is in tesco or whsmith - where I can buy using the self checkout

NutellaEllaElla · 02/11/2023 18:12

Yes Graham compared it to Thalidomide and Rotherham

duc748 · 02/11/2023 10:49

The way those lines are held in quotation marks surely means the words are Glinner's, word for word, taken from the book? I haven't read the whole book yet, but haven't come across it so far. If they were her words rather than his, it would surely be wrong and dishonest to use the quote marks?

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