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Harriet Harman says women are women, or men who are 'certified' women.

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ArabellaScott · 15/10/2023 14:07

https://twitter.com/roseveniceallan/status/1713176479528300891

'There's a question of what is a woman and what is a man. But I would say a woman is someone who is born a woman or someone who under the GRA 2004 is certified as having transitioned from a man to a woman'.
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'I support the GRA and don't want to see it rolled back. We brought it forward for a very good reason'.

Harriet Harman, at the Fawcett Society event.

Thank you, Julia Long, for asking the question.

https://twitter.com/roseveniceallan/status/1713176479528300891

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RealityFan · 15/10/2023 19:36

MargotBamborough · 15/10/2023 19:26

I'd like to ask Harriet Harman what women who were born women have in common with men who have been "certified women".

No need to wait, I can tell you, just what she said...everything.

Women, now both biological, and transactional/legal.

Yep, reality and a piece of paper, which to add insult to injury, will never even have to be produced.

That's it, a century since you got the vote. And a few decades of progress re equality. And now you're due the ultimate equality. Equality wielded by pen on paper.

maltravers · 15/10/2023 19:30

piesforever · 15/10/2023 18:47

Oh get a life, there's actually issues out there that affect people.

Women are people too you know, although that may not have occurred to you.

AutumnCrow · 15/10/2023 19:27

"Where a State has authorised the treatment and surgery alleviating the condition of a transsexual, financed or assisted in financing the operations and indeed permits the artificial insemination of a woman living with a female-to-male transsexual (as demonstrated in the case of X., Y. and Z. v. the United Kingdom, cited above), it appears illogical to refuse to recognise the legal implications of the result to which the treatment leads."

[Quoted by @PorcelinaV from the Godwin case.]

This is just utter legal gobshite, isn't it? God help us all if this isn't repealed and this thinking isn't challenged. Otherwise we may as well base social policy on the power of images in the Regency period.

MargotBamborough · 15/10/2023 19:26

I'd like to ask Harriet Harman what women who were born women have in common with men who have been "certified women".

Froodwithatowel · 15/10/2023 19:20

piesforever · 15/10/2023 18:47

Oh get a life, there's actually issues out there that affect people.

Women and children not 'people' in your book then?

RealityFan · 15/10/2023 19:05

piesforever · 15/10/2023 18:47

Oh get a life, there's actually issues out there that affect people.

There's a few of us here, don't you mean "get lives"?

caringcarer · 15/10/2023 19:03

RealityFan · 15/10/2023 18:53

Nope, a naughty Tory. But it's kind of the going euphemism.
Web searches: boobs, bums...tractors.

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Nope, sorry no I've mixed up HH with Jacqui Smith.

caringcarer · 15/10/2023 19:02

Bunpea · 15/10/2023 18:58

I won’t be voting Labour then.
This is disappointing on just about every level.

HH is a woman and a mother. She knows better than this.

Sorry, I've mixed up HH with Jacqui Smith.

caringcarer · 15/10/2023 19:01

RethinkingLife · 15/10/2023 18:57

I knew about Jaquie Smith but hadn't heard about HH and I would question if that's accurate.

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Sorry, I think I've mixed them up.

Apollo441 · 15/10/2023 18:58

piesforever · 15/10/2023 18:47

Oh get a life, there's actually issues out there that affect people.

So, for example, rape crisis centres that won't cater for women isn't a real issue and women are not people?
Are you naturally this much of a bigot or did you practice?

Bunpea · 15/10/2023 18:58

I won’t be voting Labour then.
This is disappointing on just about every level.

HH is a woman and a mother. She knows better than this.

RethinkingLife · 15/10/2023 18:57

caringcarer · 15/10/2023 17:36

This. She used to be my MP and she was really useless on local issues and her DH at the time tried to claim tax payer money to watch porn, as in a business expense.

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I knew about Jaquie Smith but hadn't heard about HH and I would question if that's accurate.

RealityFan · 15/10/2023 18:53

ArabellaScott · 15/10/2023 18:47

That was Mr Harman?!

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Nope, a naughty Tory. But it's kind of the going euphemism.
Web searches: boobs, bums...tractors.

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ArabellaScott · 15/10/2023 18:47

RealityFan · 15/10/2023 17:37

Don't you mean look for tractors?

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That was Mr Harman?!

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piesforever · 15/10/2023 18:47

Oh get a life, there's actually issues out there that affect people.

Chersfrozenface · 15/10/2023 18:31

RealityFan · 15/10/2023 18:28

Well, Starmer claims you women never say anything on the doorstep, so he has no idea any women would have any issues with any of this.

Can you blame him?

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Or the party has instructed canvassers not to mention it coming up on doorsteps to anyone higher up in the organusation.

Or he's lying.

Both valid possibilities.

RealityFan · 15/10/2023 18:28

JacquelinePot · 15/10/2023 18:15

Labour can fuck all the way off with this shit, and when they get there, I suggest that they come back, so that they cab fuck off again.

They are the architects of this abominable piece of legislation, and are determined to make it even worse. Fuck. All the way. Off.

Well, Starmer claims you women never say anything on the doorstep, so he has no idea any women would have any issues with any of this.

Can you blame him?

BabyStopCryin · 15/10/2023 18:20

And they will put you in jail for correctly sexing someone. They have completely lost the bloody plot.

JacquelinePot · 15/10/2023 18:15

Labour can fuck all the way off with this shit, and when they get there, I suggest that they come back, so that they cab fuck off again.

They are the architects of this abominable piece of legislation, and are determined to make it even worse. Fuck. All the way. Off.

Blackbyrd · 15/10/2023 18:04

You get the feeling Labour are just playing us, saying just enough to get elected whereupon their true agenda will be revealed and enacted

RealityFan · 15/10/2023 17:57

CaramelMac · 15/10/2023 17:45

Jesus, if a woman is a woman, or a man with a special piece of paper that no one can ask to see then the question remains, what is a woman?

Sorry, did someone ask something?
That's so weird, I could have sworn that was a woman. Who are they again?

Myalternate · 15/10/2023 17:48

What will this mean regarding sports?
Will men with a piece of paper that you can’t ask to see, be permitted to join a woman’s team?

CaramelMac · 15/10/2023 17:45

Jesus, if a woman is a woman, or a man with a special piece of paper that no one can ask to see then the question remains, what is a woman?

RealityFan · 15/10/2023 17:37

caringcarer · 15/10/2023 17:36

This. She used to be my MP and she was really useless on local issues and her DH at the time tried to claim tax payer money to watch porn, as in a business expense.

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Don't you mean look for tractors?

Berthatydfil · 15/10/2023 17:37

Is this (one of) the MP who supported PIE?