Trivial - my laser hair removal experience

Isn't it sex discrimination?

Funding the same treatment for males but not females?

Seems just plain sexist to me. as medicine always has been

I believe I've seen a detransitioner say that she can't just revoke or give up her GRC; she will have to go through the entire process again to change back to being legally a woman.

Some TW have definitely been able to get facial hair removal on the NHS while women with PCOS are not eligible for it. It shows very clearly where the priorities lie.

Off topic here- but try a ipl machine in the prime sale. Can't remember what I bought last year but I used about 5 times between prime day in nov/dec and falling pregnant. I'm now 9 months pregnant and havent been able to use it in pregnancy. I have had virtually no growth. I have shaved my armpits about once a month as I only treated that area 2/3 times before pregnancy. Life-changing and lovely not having to shave whilst heavily pregnant!

Exactly. I’ve got a really painful unsightly varicose vein that I’ve been told the NHS won’t remove as it’s deemed cosmetic.

And yes OP, its very irritating that men get treatment that women don’t

and im gob smacked at the detransition thing…fucking typical

Your point was literally pointless mishy

I didn't mean to change the direction of the thread @CohensD so thank you for your thoughts.

I hate having to take a slice of a pie that's too small for everyone. To a large extent I have been socialised to not ask and it's hard to break conditioning. It's easier to fight for my children than it is to fight for myself.

Women with PCOS don't get funded laser treatment for excess facial hair which occurs due to their endocrine condition.

And it takes years to get a diagnosis. I waited 5 years despite having absolutely classic PCOS.

Why males and not females?

(rhetorical question - we know why. Diagnosis for endometriosis is even worse)

I had PCOS. I had coarse ingrown painful facial hair because of it.

I was given course after course of antibiotics to help the inflammation and infection and eventually referred for laser removal on the NHS.

Three sessions in with another three to go and finally starting to see a result with my mental health starting to improve, the funding was stopped for all women like me.

I'd like to know how breast implants are done for free for transitioners but not for women who have little breast tissue along with mental health issues due to it. Especially as the teasing in school causing the problems was all down to the boys.

The same goes for women with large, heavy breasts that cause back and shoulder pain, infections under them and a miserable time trying to get clothes to fit or comfortable enough to sleep. Not to mention the depression, the pain, coping with infections and anxiety - again caused by men who feel free to comment - that accompanies them.

WTAF is wrong with those in charge of the NHS that they see fit to pay for unnecessary medical procedures on people simply because they want it? I'd have loved all my medical issues sorted at the drop of a hat like this.

In what way is it a "treatment"?

But as OP said we NEVER receive that laser therapy! NEVER. We could wait 5 years. We could wait 10 or 20 years. We would never. So you’re just adding fuel to the OP’s point even though you didn’t mean to.

Thank you. That was nice of you to say and cheered me up somewhat

I entirely agree with you @Alopeciabop and wish you speedy respite from the people who are upsetting you. Very galling for you OP you have every right to be fucked off.

I have spent the same op. It is pure sexism. Plenty of women are hairy. Plenty of women have small breasts. Males should not be able to get free treatment for hair removal or breast enlargement while women have to pay.

10 years for a male to wait for free gender affirming beauty treatments that many women pay for for much of their adult lives. That's before we think about maternity discrimination, gender pay gap etc etc. already holding these women back financially. And I would argue the patriarchy is far crueller to women who don't conform to gender stereotypes than it is transwomen. It's just that the patriarchy raises us to internalise the shame and difficulty.

I don't know whether it's that males so believe in their own patriarchal standards that they don't realise women aren't naturally hairless, or whether they only notice the pain, time and cost involved when it affects their fellow males.

Isn't it discrimination using the protected characteristic of sex, if someone born male can get a specific treatment on the NHS but someone born female (including detransitioners) cannot get exactly the same treatment?

It might also be covered under the protected characteristic of gender reassignment, because someone who is undergoing or intending to undergo gender reassignment is being treated differently than a person who isn't? Although detransitioning complicates it. And so does the issue of who is compared to whom for the purposes of establishing whether discrimination has taken place: I've seen the argument, for example, that the legal comparison group for TW is non-trans males.

With any luck, a lawyer will be along in a minute to explain this.

Should we rank treatment types that should be funded and not others? Quick path to a broken NHS.
well, yes. That is EXACTLY how medical treatment subsidies work. They are assessed against others and deemed funded or not. Have you never had to use the nhs or are you just dim? Funding everything is the single speediest possible path to a broken nhs, except perhaps if they reidentified as a terrorist organisation and exhorted its staff en masse to bomb parliament. That might possibly be a faster route to failure.

I’m having a really irritating and shit day. the cause being narcissist, self-centred, awful people. THIS post has just really been the icing on the crappy cake. I don’t even care if they no longer fund it. It should never ever have happened. And these individuals and the decision makers in the NHS who allow this bullshit should be forced to give every penny spent on their fantasy bollocks straight into the funds of kids who have cancers or degenerative diseases. Give them a hard look in the mirror. Alternatively, if the NHS wants to fund it still, they can also pay for all of the problems we face as women - like the OP says. But I guess we as actual women, females, whatever the fuck we get called now don’t deserve decent treatment. A man being sad he has male hair patterns deserves funding above a woman who struggles with abnormal hair…

When I was passing out with a rush of hormones when my period kicked off (they get more intense in peri apparently) I was told by a female GP that not much was known about female hormones and could not help.

I hear you. I have lipoedema, a fat disorder. Women with lipoedema statistically have horrendous mental health issues because of the lack of control over their bodies, how revolting their bodies seem to them, because of how everyone treats them due to their bodies. We get NO HELP to change the results of a physical disease. Why? Because we are mostly middle aged women, not penis havers.

To top it off, women with lipoedema who have fat removal report much better mental health long term after, whilst men who "transition" physically to resemble women more do not.

That is disgraceful. Many years ago I had to pay £100s for electrolysis and my daughter recently £1000s for laser treatment. We both have PCOS!

Sounds like you need to re-read the OP. The issue is that it's the exact same treatment type! Only some animals being more equal than others - and as usual, the male ones. As pp state, no funding for detransitioners either.