Humza Yousaf condemns abuse against FILIA conference attendees

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ArabellaScott · 21/10/2023 21:45

Kevin McKenna on Filia:

'Across three days in Glasgow last weekend, something curious and unprecedented occurred in the city centre. A prestigious international conference took place, organised by the influential feminist group, FiLiA, and featuring women from more than 30 countries discussing issues directly affecting half the population of <a class="break-all" href="https://archive.ph/o/5f29b/www.heraldscotland.com/news/homenews/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Scotland.

Yet, not a single representative of the Scottish Government was there to greet them. The venue, Platform – directly underneath Central Station – is a five-minute walk from the City Chambers, but Glasgow’s ruling SNP group gave it a bodyswerve too. How odd.

And then, gradually and so predictably, the reason for their uncharacteristic diffidence became wretchedly apparent: these were the wrong sort of women. That is to say, they were real and among the many subjects they had all gathered to discuss were women’s protected rights and the threat to them posed by gender self-ID.'
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“When politicians say that they don’t hear this issue being raised on doorsteps, they are lying.'

https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/23869460.lisa-marie-taylor-filia-challenges-facing-women/

Why Scotland's political class bodyswerved women's rights conference

Across three days in Glasgow last weekend, something curious and unprecedented occurred in the city centre. A prestigious international conference…

https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/23869460.lisa-marie-taylor-filia-challenges-facing-women

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nepeta · 17/10/2023 18:47

Ereshkigalangcleg · 17/10/2023 18:35

Trans rights support women’s rights.”'

I'd like to see your working, please.

I would love for that to be true! But given that trans rights include the erasure of the female sex from language and law and the redefinition of 'women' as a group of people who all feel 'feminine' (passive, submissive, emotional, and nurturing), it's very hard to see how that could be the case.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 17/10/2023 18:35

Trans rights support women’s rights.”'

I'd like to see your working, please.

DerekFaker · 17/10/2023 17:54

Those two councillors come across as incredibly dim.

The workshops are 'trans exclusionary' because they are about WOMEN’S issues. If she could show that transwomen have these same issues, then fair enough. But we all know that she wouldn't be able to. So that would mean changing the workshops completely. And why the hell should they do that?

"Trans rights support women’s rights.”'

HOW? TRAs have a number of sound bites like this (e.g. no woman can be free until trans women are free), but they are never able to expand on them.

In short: organise your won bloody conferences! We won't mind. And we certainly won't whinge about being 'excluded'.

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ArabellaScott · 17/10/2023 09:41

And I'm adding this from the other thread to try and keep all politician's mentions together on here:

'Two Scottish Green councillors, Holly Bruce and Elaine Gallagher, were among the demonstrators.
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Holly Bruce joined a protest by trans activists outside the feminist conference in Glasgow

Bruce, 29, joined the protest on Argyle Street where she criticised “politically induced moral panic”. She said: “There’s various workshops and sessions that are under the guise of women’s safety that are trans-exclusionary.

“For me, I’m here to show solidarity with trans people and to ensure their voices are heard. The reason for the rally is workshops which exclude trans people.”

Gallagher said: “Trans rights are not in conflict with women’s rights. Trans rights support women’s rights.”'

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/e41780f0-6c59-11ee-b0f3-053d83492f27?shareToken=16294c809a577752ed4f2e01d0da4f7c

JK Rowling brands Scottish Greens a ‘disgrace’ over trans protest

JK Rowling has branded the Scottish Greens a “disgrace” after its councillors stood alongside protesters “campaigning against women”. The author hit out 24 hour

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/e41780f0-6c59-11ee-b0f3-053d83492f27?shareToken=16294c809a577752ed4f2e01d0da4f7c

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ArabellaScott · 17/10/2023 09:39

An article from the National that almost makes up for the earlier hit piece:

'FiLiA unapologetically centres women, and in a move that some will find terribly unfashionable, encourages reasoned, informed and sometimes very robust debate among women who have faced far, far greater threats than a karaoke singer huffing and puffing in disapproval.
One would hope he and his crew would be embarrassed to know that survivors of sexual violence, domestic abuse and female genital mutilation were on the receiving end of their expletive-filled chants.
It’s safe to say that women brave enough to stand up to Iran’s “morality police” or the actual bloody Taliban were probably unmoved by the tutting of some city councillors.'

https://archive.ph/CwC6f

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ArabellaScott · 16/10/2023 13:35

https://twitter.com/joannaccherry/status/1713824334177796294

'I want to thank@HumzaYousaf
for backing my constitutional convention plans & for condemning the offensive abuse of feminists attending #FiLiA2023. This should begin to help us win back the female supporters who have deserted us over recent events'

Joanna Cherry

https://twitter.com/joannaccherry/status/1713824334177796294

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TeiTetua · 15/10/2023 21:31

'men shouldn't be abusive towards women ... nothing gives them the right, regardless of how strongly they hold their views'

Unfortunately this gives an opening to certain people to respond, "Quite right, but this is a dispute between women."

FizzyWizard · 15/10/2023 19:10

I went too.

Session 1 - on dignity in healthcare and the way women are often told our problems are either in our uterus or in our head. Particularly impressed with the woman who spoke on mental health and the surgeon who had sued her trust after sexual assault at work.

session 2 - like the PP I went to the one with Rahila Gupta and Karen Ingala-Smith who talked about the femicide census.

session 3 - on CEDAW and using UN mechanisms to advance women’s human rights.

session 4 - book launch on the Cleveland inquiry.

AutumnCrow · 15/10/2023 10:22

SpiderMaam · 15/10/2023 09:08

We need a Streisand Effect type phrase that is specific to Feminism - one that snappily describes how transactivist ‘counter protests’ (which are usually just protests that identify as ‘counter’) cause normies to peak.

'Suck My Ladydick Effect'?

That slogan encapsulates the absurdity of the ideology and ties it clearly to the pornsick rape fantasies beloved of TRAntifa, as seen casually displayed in public with the police standing by doing doing.

And when regular members of the public see 'suck my ladydick' signs on their way to the shops, they are not at all impressed. It's a very 'WTF??!' moment.

ApocalipstickNow · 15/10/2023 09:45

Come in Datun the transphobia is right there! Not one of those topics is about transwomen, is it? Totes bigotry.

This is where we are now. Not turning your entire conference into a celebration of transwomen is CLEARLY transphobic.

(it would be funny if so many men didn’t believe that.)

SpiderMaam · 15/10/2023 09:08

We need a Streisand Effect type phrase that is specific to Feminism - one that snappily describes how transactivist ‘counter protests’ (which are usually just protests that identify as ‘counter’) cause normies to peak.

Datun · 15/10/2023 08:25

Stephannee · 14/10/2023 11:25

Not "feminism". We're talking specifically about anti-trans hate, right?

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You've never even heard of Filia have you? Until a few days ago. Why would you, to be fair.

Lol.

And now these rabid men have raised its profile massively.

Transactivism - creating feminists wherever it goes.

BingBongSong · 15/10/2023 07:52

I was at Filia yesterday.

Session 1: Sexual and reproductive rights of women around the world, including some really sobering stuff on fgm and fistula

Session 2: the lost voices of women, amongst the speakers Karen Ingala Smith, on the feminine census

Session 3: global session about the work Filia speakers have done around the world

Session 4: Tackling pornography and prostution, in British schools, the trafficking of Asian women to Canada and the prostitution of teenage girls in Japan

One of the quotes from the final session, "pornography is the theory, rape is the practice".

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ArabellaScott · 15/10/2023 07:50

OvaHere · 14/10/2023 19:13

The money doesn't all go towards the upkeep of Wikipedia.

https://twitter.com/echetus/status/1579776106034757633

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Explains quite a lot.

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WomanXXWorldsOriginsofMothersofAllNations · 15/10/2023 00:30

Maybe stephannee thinks opps wrong word believes FILIA to be transphobic because it’s not about the T at all, therefore we’ve erased the T because we must centre.the.t.at.all.times.

Bit like if you stop believing in fairies they stop existing. True Fact™️

Clearly for some people women are irrelevant. Truer Fact™️

Ereshkigalangcleg · 14/10/2023 22:07

The money doesn't all go towards the upkeep of Wikipedia.

FFS.

OvaHere · 14/10/2023 19:13

MissLucyEyelesbarrow · 14/10/2023 19:06

Yeah, this stuff is why Wikipedia can fuck off to the far side of forever with their constant pleas for donations. And I did used to donate.

The money doesn't all go towards the upkeep of Wikipedia.

https://twitter.com/echetus/status/1579776106034757633

yourhairiswinterfire · 14/10/2023 19:07

nepeta · 14/10/2023 18:31

As a complete aside, but linking to the idea that FILIA is just a transphobic thing, have a look at what some activist has created as the Wikipedia page for FILIA. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FiLiA

It's not possible to edit it, either! We have always been at war with East Asia.

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The whole page is basically 'it's transphobic coz X said it is'.

MissLucyEyelesbarrow · 14/10/2023 19:06

Yeah, this stuff is why Wikipedia can fuck off to the far side of forever with their constant pleas for donations. And I did used to donate.

Signalbox · 14/10/2023 19:00

nepeta · 14/10/2023 18:31

As a complete aside, but linking to the idea that FILIA is just a transphobic thing, have a look at what some activist has created as the Wikipedia page for FILIA. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FiLiA

It's not possible to edit it, either! We have always been at war with East Asia.

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Crikey that’s incredible. Wikipedia have done a tremendous job documenting all the people who really hate feminists.

nepeta · 14/10/2023 18:31

yourhairiswinterfire · 14/10/2023 14:00

If not, you're going to have to be very specific of what exactly you DO mean, backed up by examples and evidence.

It does make me laugh that some posters think they can just throw around accusations of FiLiA being 'anti-LGBT' and 'anti-trans' on here and it'll just be swallowed up.

This isn't Reddit where anyone pointing out the truth will be deleted because it contradicts their narrative. This isn't Twitter where they just have to say the magic words 'anti-trans' with zero evidence to get a woman-hating froth-fest going, and where anyone who could tell them who these speakers are and what they actually speak about is blocked, because again, it contradicts their narrative.

This board knows what FiLiA is about, many of us have been. So what are they trying to achieve, who are they trying to convince? Lurkers, maybe? That won't work either, because lurkers can also see the ridiculous, unevidenced accusations being torn apart in minutes.

About FiLiA: 'Speakers and delegates are coming from all over the world to share experiences of campaigning to end the global sex trade and the trafficking of children, femicide and the abuse of black women by the police and military. There are women from Europe, the Middle East, Africa, Asia, Latin America and Australian Indigenous communities.'

Desperately trying to convince a predominantly female forum that those women speaking about those issues is 'anti-trans hate' is an absolute waste of time.

As a complete aside, but linking to the idea that FILIA is just a transphobic thing, have a look at what some activist has created as the Wikipedia page for FILIA. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FiLiA

It's not possible to edit it, either! We have always been at war with East Asia.

FiLiA - Wikipedia

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FiLiA

yourhairiswinterfire · 14/10/2023 14:00

If not, you're going to have to be very specific of what exactly you DO mean, backed up by examples and evidence.

It does make me laugh that some posters think they can just throw around accusations of FiLiA being 'anti-LGBT' and 'anti-trans' on here and it'll just be swallowed up.

This isn't Reddit where anyone pointing out the truth will be deleted because it contradicts their narrative. This isn't Twitter where they just have to say the magic words 'anti-trans' with zero evidence to get a woman-hating froth-fest going, and where anyone who could tell them who these speakers are and what they actually speak about is blocked, because again, it contradicts their narrative.

This board knows what FiLiA is about, many of us have been. So what are they trying to achieve, who are they trying to convince? Lurkers, maybe? That won't work either, because lurkers can also see the ridiculous, unevidenced accusations being torn apart in minutes.

About FiLiA: 'Speakers and delegates are coming from all over the world to share experiences of campaigning to end the global sex trade and the trafficking of children, femicide and the abuse of black women by the police and military. There are women from Europe, the Middle East, Africa, Asia, Latin America and Australian Indigenous communities.'

Desperately trying to convince a predominantly female forum that those women speaking about those issues is 'anti-trans hate' is an absolute waste of time.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 14/10/2023 13:17

What terry said.

DerekFaker · 14/10/2023 13:14

Stephannee · 14/10/2023 11:25

Not "feminism". We're talking specifically about anti-trans hate, right?

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So you think women coming together to talk about issues that specifically affect them is "anti trans hate"?

If not, you're going to have to be very specific of what exactly you DO mean, backed up by examples and evidence.