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Call a Waaahmbulance for r/glasgow on Reddit

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ditalini · 12/10/2023 17:24

https://www.reddit.com/r/glasgow/comments/17685xs/platform_is_hosting_an_antitrans_organization/

Their minds are as tight shut as a gnat's chuff.

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https://www.reddit.com/r/glasgow/comments/17685xs/platform_is_hosting_an_antitrans_organization

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MargotBamborough · 13/10/2023 13:44

Stephannee · 13/10/2023 13:15

Which side are the b*mb threats coming from again? And which side are the Nazis on again?

The "Nazis" aren't on either side, they just like to show up wherever they think there's likely to be trouble.

Pretty shocking, then, that the TRAs generally behave worse than the Nazis.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 13/10/2023 13:43

I remember the bomb threat from memory, it was Hastings WPUK.

MargotBamborough · 13/10/2023 13:43

Stephannee · 13/10/2023 13:41

Your link is paywalled btw

https://www.unilad.com/news/merriamwebster-dictionary-bomb-threat-california-20220917
"A California man is facing jail time after pleading guilty to bomb threats made to a dictionary publisher over its gender definitions."

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/other/westfield-woman-pleads-guilty-to-making-hoax-bomb-threat-against-boston-hospital/ar-AA1hpEmT
"The U.S. Attorney’s Office said that 37-year-old Catherine Leavy pleaded guilty to charges of making a false bomb threat and intentionally conveying false or misleading information."

And earlier this year after a gender critical speaker was thrown out of a library I think, another gender critical user on twitter posted the library's details on telling everyone to call them. Shortly afterwards they got an anonymous b*mb threat.

Sorry, just to be clear, are you accusing gender critical feminists of making bomb threats?

Stephannee · 13/10/2023 13:41

Your link is paywalled btw

https://www.unilad.com/news/merriamwebster-dictionary-bomb-threat-california-20220917
"A California man is facing jail time after pleading guilty to bomb threats made to a dictionary publisher over its gender definitions."

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/other/westfield-woman-pleads-guilty-to-making-hoax-bomb-threat-against-boston-hospital/ar-AA1hpEmT
"The U.S. Attorney’s Office said that 37-year-old Catherine Leavy pleaded guilty to charges of making a false bomb threat and intentionally conveying false or misleading information."

And earlier this year after a gender critical speaker was thrown out of a library I think, another gender critical user on twitter posted the library's details on telling everyone to call them. Shortly afterwards they got an anonymous b*mb threat.

IcakethereforeIam · 13/10/2023 13:36

The trambulance goes 'me me me me me me'.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 13/10/2023 13:36

I guess early to middle really.

PorcelinaV · 13/10/2023 13:36

Never heard of it, but if you really have witnessed anyone confess to a rape or state plans to rape I hope you passed the info onto the police?

While these groups should be monitored by the police you would think, a confession on a fantasy site means nothing as evidence, unless you have their location, and the person in question is already a suspect, or they give enough detail to connect themselves to a rape under investigation.

Police can track people down, but they probably aren't going to use resources to do that, for someone that is likely in a different country or where they can simply say that their confession was merely a fantasy.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 13/10/2023 13:35

And which side are the Nazis on again?

Well, a few of them weren't averse to a bit of cross dressing, but they were their own side, in Germany, in the middle of the last century. Hope that helps.

Helleofabore · 13/10/2023 13:34

Stephannee · 13/10/2023 13:15

Which side are the b*mb threats coming from again? And which side are the Nazis on again?

Can you provide proof that the people you refer to as 'nazis' are on the side of feminists and women seeking to discuss their needs please?

If not, then I think this post shows just how entrenched you are in repeating trope and how you lack the ability to analyse situations critically. Post the evidence, or every person reading this thread will understand that you have nothing at all. Just repeating empty accusations aimed at silencing people who disagree with you.

fedupandstuck · 13/10/2023 13:25

Neo-Nazi's are on the side of Neo-Nazis. Their aims and world view is opposed to that of feminists, of any kind, women's rights activists or anyone advocating for LGB rights in any way. Also opposed to anyone advocating for trans rights.

Stephannee · 13/10/2023 13:15

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Which side are the b*mb threats coming from again? And which side are the Nazis on again?

Stephannee · 13/10/2023 13:13

yourhairiswinterfire · 12/10/2023 22:34

What point are you actually trying to argue?

It looks like 'Reddit = good guys, Mumsnet = big fat meanie women = bad guys'.

That's the same Reddit, btw, that had a sub called 'Guys Should Rape' where men were allowed to share their rape fantasies, where actual rapists discussed their rape of women, and where wannabe rapists detailed their plans, and others asked the actual rapists for tips on how they could rape 'sluts' and then terrorize them into keeping quiet afterwards.

Want to know why the sub was banned?

Because rape is illegal, maybe? Because rape is vile? Because it was a hate sub encouraging violence against women and girls?

Nope. Because it was unmoderated. They banned it because it was unmoderated, not because of the content.

And there are plenty of other horrific subs that are moderated and allowed to stand on that lovely, progressive, good guy Reddit.

Never heard of it, but if you really have witnessed anyone confess to a rape or state plans to rape I hope you passed the info onto the police?

LongLizStridesAgain · 13/10/2023 12:43

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Ereshkigalangcleg · 13/10/2023 10:58

The fact that they think we think they are "some freaky third sex" just proves that they are not listening to anything we are saying.

This. No, you're just male.

MargotBamborough · 13/10/2023 10:48

ArabellaScott · 13/10/2023 10:24

accepting the prejudiced view that we're not women, that we're some freaky third sex

Nope. Just bog standard male sex.

The fact that they think we think they are "some freaky third sex" just proves that they are not listening to anything we are saying.

RealityFan · 13/10/2023 10:46

ArabellaScott · 13/10/2023 10:24

accepting the prejudiced view that we're not women, that we're some freaky third sex

Nope. Just bog standard male sex.

I agree with the "bog" bit. Just not the "standard" bit. I'm pretty "standard". OTOH, even most men at their most uncoordinated in the bog don't reach the lows these men do.

ArabellaScott · 13/10/2023 10:24

accepting the prejudiced view that we're not women, that we're some freaky third sex

Nope. Just bog standard male sex.

BezMills · 13/10/2023 09:05

MargotBamborough · 13/10/2023 08:14

Certainly, whatever course we take as transvestites, transsexuals and drag queens, we must first destroy the trap wherein regular women set up standards by which they accept or reject us.

There is no trap. Womanhood just isn't about you.

I don't see how this is not a veiled threat to uppity women who are gatekeeping womaning from men who want to join in on their man-terms.

Helleofabore · 13/10/2023 08:37

RethinkingLife · 13/10/2023 05:21

Re: standards. It's a concept with a lengthy history (see end of quotations).

Gay Liberation Front journal - Come Together - issue 11: Lesbians Come Together. It's from a piece by the GLF Transvestite, Transsexual and Drag Queen group, originally published in 1972:

A more central question is how to relate to other women. When we talk about our hopes and fantasies, it becomes apparent that what we want above all is to be accepted as women, primarily by other women. But will we achieve this by looking for ways in which we share experience with regular women or by developing a unique transvestite consciousness?

Sometimes the second approach seems real militant and proud, at other times it seems a cop-out, accepting the prejudiced view that we're not women, that we're some freaky third sex (or fourth or fifth?). Possibly we can find some light by considering the situation of black women and gay women, who develop black pride and gay pride, but still explore their feelings as women. Think how much more inspiring and beautiful the women's revolution will be when it joyously includes all women. Think of a Holloway demo with transvestite, transsexual and drag-queen women, gay women and heterosexual women, black, yellow, brown and white women, working women, housewives and career women. Certainly, whatever course we take as transvestites, transsexuals and drag queens, we must first destroy the trap wherein regular women set up standards by which they accept or reject us.

archive.org/details/cometogetheryear00walt/page/8/mode/2up

Thanks for sharing that.

So this is the same thinking that led to the Denton guide on how to force team groups and communication to gain acceptance and access to single sex spaces. And a pre runner to the communication guide from the Trans Law Center in the USA where they describe people as ‘persuadables’ and advise on how to convince people through falsely tying trans issues to those of race and other persecutions.

It really becomes clear that a group of people are desperate that people are, sometimes falsely, pushed in affirming they believe in an impossibility (that humans can change sex) and the falsehoods being used to leverage them into accessing spaces and sports with reduced or even no safeguarding processes being followed.

And we have people posting on this thread who are attempting to do it through shaming women too.

It really is enlightening when you understand the tactics and what those tactics show.

MargotBamborough · 13/10/2023 08:14

Certainly, whatever course we take as transvestites, transsexuals and drag queens, we must first destroy the trap wherein regular women set up standards by which they accept or reject us.

There is no trap. Womanhood just isn't about you.

RethinkingLife · 13/10/2023 05:21

SpicyMoth · 12/10/2023 19:52

Jesus the comments...

"I'd say requiring someone to have surgery to conform to others' standards of womanhood to exist in public gendered spaces is pretty invasive."

"Other's standards" of womanhood eh?
As opposed to what... Long hair..? Makeup...? Panties & hosiery rather than boxers?
What should the 'standard' be in their eyes, literally just saying so?

If my eyes rolled any more, they'd fall out.

Re: standards. It's a concept with a lengthy history (see end of quotations).

Gay Liberation Front journal - Come Together - issue 11: Lesbians Come Together. It's from a piece by the GLF Transvestite, Transsexual and Drag Queen group, originally published in 1972:

A more central question is how to relate to other women. When we talk about our hopes and fantasies, it becomes apparent that what we want above all is to be accepted as women, primarily by other women. But will we achieve this by looking for ways in which we share experience with regular women or by developing a unique transvestite consciousness?

Sometimes the second approach seems real militant and proud, at other times it seems a cop-out, accepting the prejudiced view that we're not women, that we're some freaky third sex (or fourth or fifth?). Possibly we can find some light by considering the situation of black women and gay women, who develop black pride and gay pride, but still explore their feelings as women. Think how much more inspiring and beautiful the women's revolution will be when it joyously includes all women. Think of a Holloway demo with transvestite, transsexual and drag-queen women, gay women and heterosexual women, black, yellow, brown and white women, working women, housewives and career women. Certainly, whatever course we take as transvestites, transsexuals and drag queens, we must first destroy the trap wherein regular women set up standards by which they accept or reject us.

archive.org/details/cometogetheryear00walt/page/8/mode/2up

Codlingmoths · 13/10/2023 04:51

SpicyMoth · 12/10/2023 19:52

Jesus the comments...

"I'd say requiring someone to have surgery to conform to others' standards of womanhood to exist in public gendered spaces is pretty invasive."

"Other's standards" of womanhood eh?
As opposed to what... Long hair..? Makeup...? Panties & hosiery rather than boxers?
What should the 'standard' be in their eyes, literally just saying so?

If my eyes rolled any more, they'd fall out.

having penises waved around in a women’s changing room also feels invasive.

IDontHateRainbows · 13/10/2023 03:54

ArabellaScott · 12/10/2023 20:24

Filia has been booked for months. The venue will have been well aware what the event involved.

It's only because they've been terrorised that they've tried to cancel.

But what will the activists have actually threatened then with? We'll tell all the other wokesters that you're bigots, that kind of thing?
How can they weild so much power?

BezMills · 13/10/2023 03:28

So if a male criminal attacks a male criminal in a male prison while under the care of male prison guards, that is a woman's fault. Fgs

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