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JK Rowling: Nandy 'one of the biggest reasons' women on Left don't trust Labour

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IwantToRetire · 11/10/2023 17:49

The latest criticism comes as Labour holds its annual conference in Liverpool.

On Tuesday night, Ms Nandy tweeted an extract from her speech, which included the words: “Women’s rights are human rights and human rights are non-negotiable.

“My absolute priority will be to embolden and empower women and girls in every part of the world.”

This incensed Ms Rowling, who replied: “You said rapists should be transferred to women’s prisons if they self-identify as women.

“You called Woman’s Place UK a hate group.

“Given that you’re one of the biggest reasons many women on the Left no longer trust Labour to defend their rights, do you stand by these comments?”

Ms Rowling was referring to a question and answer session at the Labour conference in 2020, just after Sir Keir became leader.

JK Rowling: Nandy 'one of the biggest reasons' women on Left don't trust Labour (yahoo.com)

JK Rowling: Nandy 'one of the biggest reasons' women on Left don't trust Labour

JK Rowling has lambasted Lisa Nandy over her stance on trans issues, calling her “one of the biggest reasons many women on the Left no longer trust Labour”.

https://uk.style.yahoo.com/jk-rowling-many-women-left-103416090.html

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DoItAgainPlz · 12/10/2023 10:05

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senua · 12/10/2023 08:30

Also, a lot of whataboutery, a lot of listing of other people we should worry about first.
The meeting / audience seems quite male.

The meeting / audience seems quite male.

They can't wait to get into the women's changing rooms 😑

teawamutu · 12/10/2023 09:14

MavisMcMinty · 11/10/2023 22:15

I like, admire and respect Jack for her work on food poverty, but she’s a bit exasperating with her long list of latest fads and trends and diagnoses. I’d actually forgotten about her non-binariness, think she’s toned that down since this 2016 clip, or maybe I just didn’t notice during my pre-Mumsnet Twitter days.

Jack Monroe's work on food poverty as described by Jack Monroe is not always... as others describe it.

A tweet from Jack says she was unemployed 2011, selling everything in 2012, working in sex work and stealing to survive in 2013. Attempted suicide several times in 2013. Evicted from her flat with her three year old. She lived without a fridge or heati...

Jack Monroe, and why Twitter is raging

CW: This article contains references to suicide and self-harm.

https://medium.com/@pollyanabanana/jack-monroe-and-why-twitter-is-raging-edb60f9fa843#id_token=eyJhbGciOiJSUzI1NiIsImtpZCI6ImM2MjYzZDA5NzQ1YjUwMzJlNTdmYTZlMWQwNDFiNzdhNTQwNjZkYmQiLCJ0eXAiOiJKV1QifQ.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.Cn5PCxVzsVUF52ZsFyIsUTnDkvtPFNcAeWJOKsB3vGmmJoOtaUArVN3nYcU-tS2SSEGVHbVPZ11cDG9xc-jGcfZ2ZB2_vLEmnjbWTF0AKPOiOdpUzmJJYwowz6v5-Y_ys4cwfAUFHmZ6mD2aMV7Vfae0tPcVdzPjeowdTGhkqUi12d27toerhzZhYYenjVf5fgVjRRolspeugmIIase9O50JSGBjRaDw7BQV0zqf4i3DBF9PKTTcpLw_TocleD1ZuovWJl92qiYIK-AGlrYeXvMkOdNrm_StnBOxwo9iJ6c-O895GOYQnxyox2Pfp0gQhUpvorqc3Uc7cAuayGPuYg

senua · 12/10/2023 08:30

Also, a lot of whataboutery, a lot of listing of other people we should worry about first.
The meeting / audience seems quite male.

CorruptedCauldron · 12/10/2023 08:19

Note Nandy’s rising inflection, which sounds like she’s unsure of the validity of her statement and seeking approval and affirmation from the crowd: “I think trans women are women? And trans men are men?” Cue the applause.

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IwantToRetire · 12/10/2023 00:48

By chance have found there is a longer video of the response to the questions including should TW be in women's prisons.

See

Lisa Nandy says child rapists should be in women’s prisons

Julia Long questions Labour leadership hopeful, Lisa Nandy, on sex self ID.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oUon9j1zJ_E

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piesforever · 11/10/2023 22:54

I love Nandy and still quite like JK, think they are both good people

RealityFan · 11/10/2023 22:51

Floisme · 11/10/2023 22:30

She definitely did during the leadership challenge. Starmer was the only one who didn't IIRC.

I thought Thornberry had signed an alternative statement that backed off calling WPUK a hate group. I'm pretty sure Starmer signed the same one as I remember trying to decide whether that meant he was smart or a snivelling slime ball. I guess History has concluded.

Apologies if I've misremembered, I'll try and check tomorrow. I'm aware she's been no ally whatsoever and has said some spectacularly dumb things but I still think it's important to be as accurate as we can.

I think the Corybn/Owen Jones left who see Starmer having capitulated on every position he took to get the job, feel his absence from signing this declaration as his first betrayal, one of many (most recent ones being his 180s on the two-child cap, and HS2).

Ironic, really. The OJ/TRA ranks feel he's a total sellout on trans. And GC women feel the same.

IcakethereforeIam · 11/10/2023 22:42

Jic anyone wasn't aware the clip of Nandy that @duc748 posted upthread is possibly a few years old. It wasn't from this years conference.

Until Nandy apologises for that and admits she was wrong I wouldn't trust her as far as I could throw her.

Floisme · 11/10/2023 22:30

She definitely did during the leadership challenge. Starmer was the only one who didn't IIRC.

I thought Thornberry had signed an alternative statement that backed off calling WPUK a hate group. I'm pretty sure Starmer signed the same one as I remember trying to decide whether that meant he was smart or a snivelling slime ball. I guess History has concluded.

Apologies if I've misremembered, I'll try and check tomorrow. I'm aware she's been no ally whatsoever and has said some spectacularly dumb things but I still think it's important to be as accurate as we can.

literalviolence · 11/10/2023 22:18

MavisMcMinty · 11/10/2023 22:15

I like, admire and respect Jack for her work on food poverty, but she’s a bit exasperating with her long list of latest fads and trends and diagnoses. I’d actually forgotten about her non-binariness, think she’s toned that down since this 2016 clip, or maybe I just didn’t notice during my pre-Mumsnet Twitter days.

regardless of what else she's done, I cant admire anyone who's thrown vulnerable women under the bus like this.

MavisMcMinty · 11/10/2023 22:15

EDIT: Oh that’s weird, never managed to post the same thing twice before! Sorry.

MavisMcMinty · 11/10/2023 22:15

I like, admire and respect Jack for her work on food poverty, but she’s a bit exasperating with her long list of latest fads and trends and diagnoses. I’d actually forgotten about her non-binariness, think she’s toned that down since this 2016 clip, or maybe I just didn’t notice during my pre-Mumsnet Twitter days.

literalviolence · 11/10/2023 21:49

MavisMcMinty · 11/10/2023 21:19

You piqued my interest so I googled and found this from 2016:

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oh dear. you almost feel sorry for Jack with that public humiliation! hyperbole and ego versus facts!

Redshoeblueshoe · 11/10/2023 21:36

I've seen DrJulia Long on some of the streams of LWS, and when KJK went to the police station she was outside

teawamutu · 11/10/2023 21:35

MavisMcMinty · 11/10/2023 21:19

You piqued my interest so I googled and found this from 2016:

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Jack Monroe comes across as thick as mince in that clip.

LondonLass91 · 11/10/2023 21:33

Heliotroper · 11/10/2023 18:42

Lisa Nandy, Rebecca Long-Bailey, Emily Thornberry, Angela Rayner, Dawn Butler and Rosena Allin-Khan all signed the pledge to expell gender critical Labour members

Exactly..and we will f.cking remember...

NoWordForFluffy · 11/10/2023 21:33

IwantToRetire · 11/10/2023 21:12

Sorry to be off topic also. Do you have any info on that please?

If you mean about covid, purely anecdotal from some users on facebook and I think one othe reporters from one of the news channels also.

And if fact I think someone who went to LWS also said they had got covid.

I'm local to Liverpool and it's been rife there recently. It's not surprising that delegates have gone down with it!

LarkLane · 11/10/2023 21:29

Thanks @IwantToRetire
And if fact I think someone who went to LWS also said they had got covid.
Yes that was me😁

duc748 · 11/10/2023 21:26

I know I've seen her before, but not with Jack Monroe. Must have been the Labour leadership, as mentioned upthread.

MavisMcMinty · 11/10/2023 21:19

Ereshkigalangcleg · 11/10/2023 20:40

Who is that woman? I've seen her before, asking awkward questions!

Dr Julia Long, who was once considered by MNHQ to do a web chat, on request from many MNers, after she made Jack Monroe look silly on Channel 4 News about 7 years ago or so. She never did get to do the chat though!

You piqued my interest so I googled and found this from 2016:

Debate: how do trans people get treated by institutions?

Ffood writer and transgender campaigner Jack Monroe, who was born a female but now identifies as non-binary, and the academic and feminist activist Dr Julia ...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5eIQXJi8-Do

duc748 · 11/10/2023 21:18

I think the policy now is don't ban them, send them to re-education classes. 😀

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IwantToRetire · 11/10/2023 21:14

but unfortunately the video cut off before the end

I thought it was just my computer playing up. Does anyone know Aja and could ask her?

Or indeed ask Julia Long if you know her?

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IwantToRetire · 11/10/2023 21:12

Sorry to be off topic also. Do you have any info on that please?

If you mean about covid, purely anecdotal from some users on facebook and I think one othe reporters from one of the news channels also.

And if fact I think someone who went to LWS also said they had got covid.

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agent765 · 11/10/2023 20:53

JKR is a legend without a doubt. We're incredibly lucky that she speaks out for us. Strong, brave and honest.

It's just an absolute shame that so many women who don't have power and/or money behind them can't speak out honestly. And if they are brave enough and do speak out they lose their jobs and suffer the same abuse that JKR has.

All strong, brave, honest women. Unlike several women in the Labour party.

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