Lisa Nandy has decided she does care about women and girls

Exactly. We know now what they mean when they say “women” and “women’s rights”. They are including transwomen.

I think this has to be the 'doorstep question' for Labour canvassers.

'About the Party's supposed recent shift on women - does it mean biological women or 'legal women'?'

'Blah blah blah Nandy and Dodds and Philips and Starmer'

'Yes but do they mean biological women or 'legal women'? Will you get back to me on that asap?'

I will wait to hear her say women are adult human females before taking her seriously

Basically, we're being trolled, in fact.

This is what I believe some Labour Party senior members are doing. Hence the very carefully ambiguous language.

The problem with mangling language is that eventually no one has any idea what is meant and everyone interprets things however they like...

I have absolutely no idea what she means...

Absolutely no substance to that speech. She's a traitor to her sex, and I don't trust a word that comes out her mouth. God help us all if she gets into a position of power!

Convenient

It's always troubling when someone says a group of human beings have 'human rights'.

It's as if they think the group they are talking about are not regarded as human, so it needs pointing out.

I see Lisa Nandy doesn't really believe women are human after all.
If she thought they were, she wouldn't need to say that, because she'd know people already understood that.

Exactly. She's not going to take on the Taliban, so why bring Afghanistan into it? "Go and give them a few warm words, Lisa".

What has the treatment of ‘women and girls in every part of the world ‘ got to do with her ? Except as a broad généralisation of nice intentions seems like meaningless hyperbole TBH. I’m more interested in her intention to protect the rights of British women in British institutions like schools, hospitals , refuges and prisons, the places where she may be able to influence policy .

But they are all at it at the moment, because they’ve realised that a lot of voters are pretty uncomfortable at the erasure of women as a sex class. I don’t believe they have had a change of heart though. 🩲 🔥

'Women’s rights are human rights and human rights are non-negotiable. My absolute priority will be to embolden and empower women and girls in every part of the world'

It doesn't even mean anything it's just word soup. ChatGPT could come up with something more profound.

But she still thinks men can be women for the asking, so what use is this?

'Women’s rights are human rights and human rights are non-negotiable. My absolute priority will be to embolden and empower women and girls in every part of the world'

Unless a rapist demands access to them when they can't escape. Then they're fucking toast.

Oh gosh. I wonder when she had some deep seated revelation on this.

Well, a few students, I imagine. But you can't expect pols to lead these days. They follow. Whatever is the path of least resistance to get them where they want to be.

Has she still got that young person in her constituency?

Which is all lovely IF your definition of woman is an adult human female. If it’s adult human females & men with lady feelings, it’s no flipping use!

That's what party conferences are, though, aren't they? A opportunity to parrot slogans and soundbites, which will then be mused over by focus groups, and compared for which 'play best with the public'. Actual serious and thought-through policies (on anything!), not so much.

She’s saying women’s rights are human rights. She’ll have said trans rights are human rights before. It’s a slogan. Don’t ask questions, it’s a nice sound bite or tweet.

As Arabella says, its human rights are human rights, everyone’s right are human rights she’s not wrong. But it’s meaningless.

My Guardian-reading, QT-watching family think she's wonderful.

They do concede that only a fucking idiot or an utter bastard says they'd lock rapists in with women, but seem to think I should overlook that for the greater good.

Drives me nuts.

I feel embarrassed that I spent years watching her on things like Question Time and thought she knew what she was talking about!
Since the "rapists get to choose" quote I just can't believe a word she says.

Whenever Labour talk about women and girls everyone needs to remember that they mean 'anyone who says they are a woman or girl'. A GRC changes legal sex and since the Labour Party believe TWAW and that a woman can have a penis all this talk means nothing.

Can't stand Lisa Nandy.