Conversion Therapy Definitions?

I find it hard to tell if they know what they're doing, or if they are stumbling around in the dark, having only read the first couple of sentences of their briefings. Either way, it's no credit to them.

https://www.attitude.co.uk/news/labour-anneliese-dodds-conversion-therapy-449281/

“We will deliver where the Conservatives have failed by bringing in a full no loopholes, trans-inclusive ban on ‘conversion therapy’,”
“So-called conversion therapy is abuse”She promised to tackle all this, promising tougher sentences for those carrying our anti-LGBTQ hate crime.

What does this mean in practice?
Will we slide backwards into the 'affirmation only' model for gender dysphoric teenagers and will misgendering be a hate crime?
It seems like Labour is still determined to plough on with all this stuff regardless of it's unpopularity.

TRAS have cynically grabbed the phrase as a gotcha, because of its obvious association with awful bigoted nutters in the US who want to 'cure' homosexuality...

Righto! We should have just burned them at the stake like our British forebears did. That would have been the civilised thing to do. <obvious sarcasm alert>

Well they lost some of it, but I expect they'll get a fair bit back that they did lose, especially with Brexit not turning out to be any kind of bonanza. But they DGAS about the working class, no. They are only interested in swing seats in the Midlands. They figure, as they always do, that the working class will vote for them anyway. But women may well not.

They certainly are not very interested in the working class vote despite losing the red wall it seems.

Do labour actually want to win?

They know they are going to win because the Tories are going to lose, irrespective of policies.

That's what is so depressing. Because baring some totally unexpected event they are going to win, and they dont even have the integrity to offer some vaguely socialist politics, but talk about being more Tory. And building Georgian style houses.

Do labour actually want to win? Honestly they are idiots who don't understand reality how on earth will they run the treasury?

From where I'm sitting:

a) TRAS have cynically grabbed the phrase as a gotcha, because of its obvious association with awful bigoted nutters in the US who want to 'cure' homosexuality, and applied it to any therapy aimed at helping confused kids not to rush into decisions that would have serious and life-changing effects, and

b) Labour have lazily or cynically (take your pick) gone along with this. Fuck em.

It's the use of the word "loop-hope" that worries me.

I see that as them saying it would be conversion therapy to suggest to someone thinking they want to transition that in fact that might be gay / lesbian.

As usual it is all weasal words.

Amazing, thank you @DameMaud

I'll have a listen.

Oops! Link fail!:
https://spotify.link/4FU3Rw4RODb

This episode is for parents and children to listen to together @BonfireLady .
Don't know if that would work re age of tour daughter, but you could always check it out first?

Gay conversion therapy ban

Labour would introduce a ban on gay conversion therapy that would include protections for transgender people, the party announced.

Shadow Women and Equalities Minister Anneliese Dodds said the party would bring forward a “no loopholes” ban on the practice – which is when people attempt to supress someone’s sexuality or gender identity.

https://inews.co.uk/news/politics/every-policy-announced-labour-conference-keir-starmer-speech-2678248

I also never "felt like" a girl... It was just never a thing when I was younger to imagine I may not be one.

And there-in lies my opportunity to bring myself back in line (although.. yey to mutual Glinner book excitement! 😁) and take that thought to its logical conclusion... Which one is rhetorically the conversion therapy? Asking younger me if I thought I might not really be a girl (do I want to chop off my boobs and be non-binary for example?) or telling younger me that my body is right for me and I'll grow in to it?

On the subject of gay/trans "conversion", this film was shown at the Tory party conference last week. It's very good IMO:

I'm hoping Malcolm Clark makes another one on autism and gender identity. But the focus on LGB conversion (type 2 in the list) is also very important to call out.

The irony of using this hyperbolic statement in his opening address:

”the state cannot permit individuals to undertake conduct that would amount to prohibited ill treatment, enforced labour, arbitrary detention and which may lead to a violation of the right to life. There must be zero tolerance for conversion therapy, however it is manifested.”

And then go on to mention psychiatric treatment as being potentially banned is eye-opening.

I hadn't really thought about my daughter listening to the podcasts. That's a great shout.
She's not ready for that yet but as she gets a bit older, and if she's still not sure whether she's meant to be a girl because she doesn't "feel like" one ... but nor does she "feel like" a boy (that's the stage we're at - no active desire to escape girlhood, and she now totally accepts that there are many reasons why girls may not always enjoy puberty or being girls during that stage), I'll save some that may be helpful for her to work through her thoughts.
Next on my reading list, just ordered, is When Kids Say They're Trans. I think some of the podcast stuff will be covered in there too. I've also pre-ordered the Glinner book. I'm rather excited about getting my hands on that one! I used to think he was abhorrent, but now couldn't feel more differently. Sorry... hopefully not a derail from your thread.

You're welcome.
Helen Joyce's book would be my top recommendation out of all the books which cover this whole topic. It's foundational for all of it.
After that, it's going to depend on where your own specific interest lies (kids being drawn in to the medical scandal of believing they need to change their bodies for me, hence the Hannah Barnes book).
I kind of "fell in" to feminism from that angle, which is why I've not yet read the feminism books. I will. But right now I'm very busy doing lots of other stuff to help my gender-confused/curious autistic, adolescent daughter and others like her.

Sadly it's clear that they mean the third one.... (as well as number 1).
They don't seem to understand that they are being played when they listen to "all voices" on this subject.
They seem to view 1 and 3 as the same thing because they've been led to think they are, by sleight of hand definitions and years of misrepresentation and conflation of sex, gender reassignment and sexual orientation.