Shush everyone, man talking...

I feel so sorry for all these kids being deliberately created to never know a mother's love. So so sad.

I know, why would you do that? He was a doctor as well so surely done a rotation on a labour ward at least. Perhaps he didnt notice all the women not getting much sleep and screaming there?

Of course, having two babies four months apart would not be possible without surrogacy, except perhaps very rarely where a lesbian couple are both trying to get pregnant using a sperm donor.

And even then I suspect most lesbians would be far too sensible to do this.

That may have been the best and most welcome piece of advice I ever got. Forgotten about it until I read that!

Do you really think there should be no discussion of anything unless it's extreme hate ?

I mean, he could have just come on MN --while his handmaid was pregant like we all did. I remember people telling me to take a jug to the hospital with me to pour cooling water over my nether regions to take the sting out of that first post birth wee and that was very good, and very real!, advice.

I. also. do so conclude.

And he has an “every other night” full night’s sleep most of us women did not get to enjoy.

I concur 😁👍

Yep

As you say, a woman saying this would hardly make the news.

She can say what she likes. Who are you to say she can’t? This is a discussion forum.

He’s always been a nasty misogyny and I feel extremely sorry those children.

Just checking:

We are talking about the Adam Kay who wrote the songs

Menstrual Rag
Northern Birds
Your Baby?

Not some other Adam Kay?

I'll give him credit for being very good at one thing: spectacularly missing the point with respect to just about everything from gestating and giving birth to what's entailed with care of infants.

Aside from that he's a selfish and thoughtless git whose ego takes up far too much space in the world. My heart breaks for the mothers of the children he's purchased.

I am genuinely appalled they have two babies four months apart.

Do they think it will be like having twins or getting the baby stage over with?

Is it because they can't share one baby, they have to have one each?

Massive head fuck for those poor kids. Not twins, not older sibling/younger sibling just babies whose Dads rented their Mums womb before cutting her out of their lives for ever.

It is horrific.

Exactly, @ArabellaScott . It's an entire human system, in which making clear distinctions between processes in the two bodies becomes difficult (including well after birth). I know this approach also risks emphasising differences between different biological mothers, to some extent, on the basis of (e.g.) whether or not they can or choose to breast feed. And ultimately, you could argue similar principles about all of existence (we're all part of the same set of systems).
But the differences of this man's experience from those of any biological mother are very stark.
And the 6 months age gap emphasises the relatively disembodied nature of the experience he's describing - this time frame's basically impossible for a biological mother.

Yes. That's telling. A spoiled brat of a man.

you and your baby and the fact of parenthood are completely inseparable

Yep. It's a whole human, utterly dependent on you, eating, pissing, shitting, vomiting, crying, waking, feeling, moving, breathing, growing along with you. It's not a pick n mix.

"And that's really stuck with me - like you wouldn't change waking up at night? You wouldn't change the nappies? You wouldn't change not going out at night?
"So l dispute 'I wouldn't change a thing'. There's loads that I would change," he laughs.

This is a key bit, for me. There's a fundamental "pick and choose" element to the very way he's viewing it. Like it's a set of separable aspects. The thing is, when you've carried and birthed, and your entire body is intrinsically related to the fact of parenthood, it just... IS. It's fucking difficult, yes. But you and your baby and the fact of parenthood are completely inseparable. It's just different. He's talking about a different thing than most women are. Why it's so much more noteworthy - fuck knows....

I remember being a new mum and commenting that I hadn't really realised how exhausting it would be. The response I got was "you should have considered that before you got yourself pregnant"
But of course when it's a man who finds it hard it's all sympathy for the poor wee soul.

And if I had "got myself pregnant" I probably could have made a lot of money! As it is I did it the bog standard way and the baby's dad was involved.

I'm quite embarrassed for him - what an idiot - there's a reason children have mothers and mothers through their trials are stronger than he has ever or can ever imagine.
I really hope his kids have wild and terrible twos and threes!
I really didn't like this bit either: "One thing that delights him is adding in "sneaky schoolwork, from history to every part of science", so children learn without realising it."
Oh and buying humans is dealing in slavery you selfish man.

THIS. He entered 'parenthood' with an intact body that had not been struggling to sleep through the night for months, getting up for a wee every two hours.

And those poor babies, who through no accident but through design, will never know their Mums.

Oh he's such a misogynistic bell end. Is it wrong to hope he has children who don't sleep through the night until they're 5 or 6?!!!

I guess if you're out of a profession for over a decade you need to find something else to provide comic material....

I have a doctor relative who thinks AK is a complete tosser. Maintains his story arc is basically 'man not cut out to be doctor stops being doctor and then whines about it being everyone else's fault'.