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Eddie Izzard - Guardian interview

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StoneColdAlibi · 09/10/2023 12:25

The Guardian have just posted an invitation to put questions to Eddie Izzard. This feels like a great opportunity to get a well worded, gender critical question out there. The thing is I'm a bit stuck, collectively we must be able to come up with something though!

https://www.theguardian.com/film/2023/oct/09/post-your-questions-for-eddie-izzard

Post your questions for Eddie Izzard

Whether running for parliament or in multiple marathons, performing on film and in multilingual standup, the star will be here to tell you how on earth she does it

https://www.theguardian.com/film/2023/oct/09/post-your-questions-for-eddie-izzard

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MehtotheChristmasrunup · 12/10/2023 01:33

@PikachuEars but surely laughing at the fact Eddie looks like Ursula is only mean if you consider Ursula to be in some way offensive. She’s an overweight, middle aged woman with a lot of make up. Is that not exactly the look Eddie has gone for? Why is Ursula the unacceptable comparison. Surely the fact she looks him is the more offensive comment.

( Are you doing the steel planning thing? 😉)

Ereshkigalangcleg · 12/10/2023 01:29

That was what you reacted to. Don't hide behind vague "perceptions".

Ereshkigalangcleg · 12/10/2023 01:28

Could you articulate your issue with the comment likening him to Ursula please?

PikachuEars · 12/10/2023 01:25

IcakethereforeIam · 11/10/2023 14:30

Actually as @PikachuEars accused me directly of being transphobic I think I'm entitled to an explanation. People have been banned from these boards for less. Although tras toss the accusation around, it's still quite a serious charge to level.

So, @PikachuEars why is posting that Izzard, the 60+ year old male comedian, in 'girl' mode looks like Ursula? It's not the lack of resemblance, that's undeniable. If you can't see it, many, many other people can. Is it because she's the villain? In which case I have news for you about the character of Mr Hyde. A character that Izzard has chosen to play in 'girl' mode. I'm not even denying he looks like a woman, Ursula is a female character after all.

So, according to you, what head of the transphobic hydra have I fallen foul of?

I didn't accuse you of being transphobic, I said the collective effect of mulitple comments can appear transphobic.

Though I think it's a bit disingenuous to hide behind the "but isn't it just factually accurate?" excuse. If I walk into work wearing a short skirt and someone says "that's a very short skirt you're wearing!" the fact it's accurate doesn't discount the possibility of it being a sexist comment.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 12/10/2023 01:15

Let's look at Eddie Izzard harassing women by using female only toilets. Maybe many women aren't going to be particularly warm towards him.

MehtotheChristmasrunup · 12/10/2023 01:15

Beowulfa · 09/10/2023 12:39

Eddie, why don't the women of Afghanistan just go into "boy mode" if they want to attend university?

Well clearly because they are transphobic. If everyone could embrace trans there would be no division of the sexes.
I’m guessing.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 12/10/2023 01:12

Who is "harassing trans people"? 🙄

PikachuEars · 12/10/2023 01:06

Ereshkigalangcleg · 12/10/2023 00:55

I don't know about "magical force fields" but it comes with protection from harassment on account of gender reassignment as enshrined in the Equalities Act, which is close enough.

Supposedly so does being a woman. And it's "Equality Act".

Equality Act, apologies, it's late.

And yes obviously women too. Harrassing women is bad. Harrassing trans people is bad. It's not a zero sum game is it?

Ereshkigalangcleg · 12/10/2023 00:55

I don't know about "magical force fields" but it comes with protection from harassment on account of gender reassignment as enshrined in the Equalities Act, which is close enough.

Supposedly so does being a woman. And it's "Equality Act".

Britinme · 12/10/2023 00:47

Does criticism for behaviour count as harassment then?

PikachuEars · 12/10/2023 00:45

AccidentallyWesAnderson · 11/10/2023 15:18

Why does declaring yourself as trans automatically seem to come with some sort of magical force field that protects you from any form of criticism, wrongdoing or any negative remark, warranted or not.

I don't know about "magical force fields" but it comes with protection from harassment on account of gender reassignment as enshrined in the Equalities Act, which is close enough.

Zonder · 11/10/2023 15:27

Why have they shifted the goal posts? Were they struggling to keep up with deleting any questions that actually might have been interesting? Comments were invited up to tomorrow and now they've already closed it.

What a sycophantic, inane set of questions we are left with.

Eddie Izzard - Guardian interview
Eddie Izzard - Guardian interview
AccidentallyWesAnderson · 11/10/2023 15:18

Why does declaring yourself as trans automatically seem to come with some sort of magical force field that protects you from any form of criticism, wrongdoing or any negative remark, warranted or not.

MagpiePi · 11/10/2023 15:02

@LarkLane 'dick twiddle' 😂

When I see that picture I wonder why, with his levels of entitlement, he bothered to stand in line? Why didn't he just kick down the nearest cubicle door and drag the woman using it out so that he could 'just pee' ?

Ereshkigalangcleg · 11/10/2023 14:54

Ah yes, I thought you were referring to the time he bullied three teenage girls in a ladies' loo.

www.butterfliesandwheels.org/2020/the-fear-of-being-stared-at/

Boiledbeetle · 11/10/2023 14:47

LarkLane · 11/10/2023 13:18

Hey Pikachu seeing as you're GC an all.
What do you think about Eddie and the Eddie women's toilet dick twiddle?

I keep asking, but you seem to side step the question to bleat on about how mean we are about the Eddie fizzog.

This one?

Eddie Izzard - Guardian interview
IcakethereforeIam · 11/10/2023 14:30

Actually as @PikachuEars accused me directly of being transphobic I think I'm entitled to an explanation. People have been banned from these boards for less. Although tras toss the accusation around, it's still quite a serious charge to level.

So, @PikachuEars why is posting that Izzard, the 60+ year old male comedian, in 'girl' mode looks like Ursula? It's not the lack of resemblance, that's undeniable. If you can't see it, many, many other people can. Is it because she's the villain? In which case I have news for you about the character of Mr Hyde. A character that Izzard has chosen to play in 'girl' mode. I'm not even denying he looks like a woman, Ursula is a female character after all.

So, according to you, what head of the transphobic hydra have I fallen foul of?

MuffinWalloper · 11/10/2023 14:06

I wrote a long response which seems to have disappeared. To confirm I wasn't mocking Eddie's appearance when I said he looked like a dickhead. He looks like a dickhead because of his complete about turn from his funny routines, wearing his own clothes and running marathons - into being a two faced misogynistic desperate shyster of a dickhead. He's not surfing that corner anymore, he's jumped the shark.

LarkLane · 11/10/2023 13:18

Hey Pikachu seeing as you're GC an all.
What do you think about Eddie and the Eddie women's toilet dick twiddle?

I keep asking, but you seem to side step the question to bleat on about how mean we are about the Eddie fizzog.

IcakethereforeIam · 11/10/2023 13:13

What's that Orwell quote about denying the evidence of your eyes?

Britinme · 11/10/2023 13:11

Ah my question was there for a few hours but now seems to have disappeared. Bums.

BernardBlacksMolluscs · 11/10/2023 12:59

PikachuEars · 11/10/2023 07:13

Ah I see we're advocating mocking and ridculing transpeople now.

I'm out, this is grim. I thought I was allied to the GC cause but you've lost me.

🤣🤣🤣

seems legit

Ofcourseshecan · 11/10/2023 12:32

SoundTheSirens · 11/10/2023 12:14

That's your prerogative of course. No one needs to be part of a conversation if they don't wish to be.

I do hope, however, that you police the TRA death threats, rape threats, cries of "dried up old hag", "you're just jealous because TW are sexier than you'll ever be", criticisms that Sharron Davies looks like a man, that Martina Navratilova is less of a woman than 'India' Willoughby etc etc ad nauseum as assiduously as you try to tone police women here reacting to a man making a mockery of womanhood.

No, SoundtheSirens the death threats etc don’t need policing, they’re fine. They’re only aimed at women. Rude remarks to men actually deserve police action, didn’t you know?

Notcookie · 11/10/2023 12:31

Yes you said that were allied to the GC cause but "now you've lost me". That was certainly a suggestion that you had changed your thinking on the underlying issues.

I actually agree about it being important not to make personal insults but I don't think pointing out the similarities in appearance between Eddie Izzard and a female cartoon character is toxic. In fact he might well welcome the comparison.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 11/10/2023 12:14

It obviously doesn't change what I personally think and believe

That's good because it was quite a bizarre suggestion, which is why people picked up on it. No one is obliging you to do anything. Hope that's clear.

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