Dismissed by supposed ally husband

Even if it is, I doubt the adjustment would quite equal to 22%.

after all, the ‘tiny’ percentage of people who identify as trans is always brought up in FWR arguments as to why they shouldn’t be pandered to. It’s even been mentioned here.

funny how it’s always a small statistic when arguing for that, but it’s ‘flawed data’ when in an argument about something else being more prevalent.

and FWIW, I am GC. But there are issues that are more important to me, which will be affecting who I vote for.

DH has said that Mumsnet should form a political party, the collective of Mumsnet could rule the world according to him.

I can’t reply to this because your statistics have nothing to do with mine and the post I replied to.

a PP said that a whole generation of gay kids will be ‘transed’ and lose their fertility, and asked what bigger problem than that there was.

apart from the fact that I don’t know where they got their info from (is it ALL gay kids? Just a fraction?), I pointed out one problem that is bigger than ‘transing’, that affects more of the population.

I really understand this and I have huge sympathy, the NHS is completely broken and failing people (despite the best efforts of the medical staff), but I don't understand why anyone thinks it will be better under Labour? If anything I think there will be more rainbow flags and even fewer front line staff. They'll just handwave any complaints away and deny facts, just as they do on biological reality.

There is the National Health Action party which I'd vote for if I could but other than them, I don't actually see any party with workable plans to save the NHS. I'm not really sure what's happened to them actually. I hope they still exist.

Labour gave us the disastrous PFI. I just don't see Labour as being any better for the NHS than the Tories.

Is that 0.5% statistic based on the flawed consensus data, where yet more language mangling, saw a huge uptick in transgenderism in areas where English was more likely to be a second language?

51% of the population is female.

Why should the demands of the 0.5% who believe that there should be some correlation between their personality and their genitalia trump the needs of the 51%?

0.5% of the population identifies as a gender not in line with their sex.

22% of the population is in poverty.

That's just one 'bigger' problem.

Well said @Desecratedcoconut. It’s very reductive and patronising to suggest that the erosion of our rights is a single issue. As you rightly point out this issue impacts multiple policy areas and disadvantages women in each of them.

But we cannot solve that problem while everything else burns.

Absolutely this

I begrudge my concerns being framed as a single issue. I'm concerned about women's single sex spaces, I'm concerned about freedom of speech, I'm concerned about safeguarding, I'm concerned about democracy, I'm concerned about the language games that disguise good data and bamboozle sensible discussion, I'm concerned about the appetite for moralizing dissent.

I understand that you look at the same landscape and come to another conclusion but it's not reasonable to suggest that I'm myopic rather than just different.

I’m voting Labour because I cannot bear what the Tories have done to this country, on child poverty, unsafe school and hospital buildings, rampant political corruption, the Climate crisis, the housing crisis, the cost of living crisis, the social and economic disaster of Brexit, and financially starving the NHS. We had loads of excess deaths from Covid, PPE mis selling and backhanders from Tory contracts. And just the normalising of grotesque inequality - the fact that food banks are a daily necessity for thousands of people now. State schools are desperately struggling to provide just the bare minimum for kids, and you can basically forget it if your kids have additional needs. Sunak is ditching green energy targets and has no climate or economic vision for the future.
It’s a disgrace and I can’t reward this shitshow with my vote.

Thank you @Slothtoes , for your eloquence and basically saying exactly how I feel.
Single issue voting on trans undermines all these issues that affect everyone in the country. I could weep for all the health, education, childcare and social care problems that my family members are dealing with, that simply wouldn't have been a problem a couple of decades ago. No party will be able to work miracles on the shit tip that the Tories are leaving behind, but there's no way in hell that I could ever vote Tory, whatever they come out with on the trans issue.

There are two problems here.

Firstly, your political voting does not need to be shared with anyone. Discuss the different parties but your vote is between you and the ballot box.

I think your main problem is realising your husband is not who you thought he was. I had the same problem. I thought my husband knew women were equal and had rights. Then he told me that the little girl in the WII spa incident caused the trouble. She should have looked away apparently. It's not that he thinks TWAW but that women in general are wrong.

I am now in the process of divorce. I cannot live with a man who thinks me and half the population are worthless. If you want to delve into this side a bit more then start a thread in Relationships.

The polling booth is private. You are under no obligation to justify who you vote for to anyone other than yourself.

And in 2026, when everything looks the same but you also have a political party operating with evangelical zeal, closing down language and building legal precedents to dissolve a sex for decades to come, what kind of lobbying holds that back?

I think I might write, "Why is there no party which respects women's rights?" on my ballot paper.

I will expect to be lobbying whatever government that gets in, on GC issues. Reality is NONE of the major UK parties are GC.

There’s this fallacy that the Tories are going to reverse 13 years of policy and save us from TRAs. That is such utter bollocks. Vote Tory if you like the Tories- but remember this complete shitshow has happened entirely on the Tories’ watch.

The last 13 Tory years have sold women’s rights completely down the river and the only government action on GC issues is to very narrowly avoid bringing in self ID as proposed for the whole UK (until they saw it was electoral catsick) and the only concrete legal action taken has been to bring in the £5 GRC. They’ve not even produced proper guidance for schools, they haven’t listened to women at all.

Those things are what we have to thank the Tories for.

Your DH can fuck off- your vote is your own. And once you have voted for whoever you want we will all still be here together slogging it out with whatever new government it is because they are ALL such a long way from being GC.

I’m voting Labour because I cannot bear what the Tories have done to this country, on child poverty, unsafe school and hospital buildings, rampant political corruption, the Climate crisis, the housing crisis, the cost of living crisis, the social and economic disaster of Brexit, and financially starving the NHS. We had loads of excess deaths from Covid, PPE mis selling and backhanders from Tory contracts. And just the normalising of grotesque inequality - the fact that food banks are a daily necessity for thousands of people now. State schools are desperately struggling to provide just the bare minimum for kids, and you can basically forget it if your kids have additional needs. Sunak is ditching green energy targets and has no climate or economic vision for the future.

It’s a disgrace and I can’t reward this shitshow with my vote.

So, it looks like I'll be voting Tory for the first time in the next g.e, but I'm not prepared to spoil my ballot and I won't vote for a party entrenched in this misogynistic, anti- reality, faith based doctrine that makes blasphemers out of those who won't submit.

I held my nose in the last elections, for the greater good and thinking that this madness was surely time limited 🙄, only to watch the front bench totally ignore the appalling treatment of Duffield and I can't support a party that behaves that way. How could anyone be under the illusion that this is reasonable? For a woman to be heckled for recognizing her own sex? How does a democratic party work when they cannot tolerate dissent?

If dh had a problem with that he could go whistle.

That's interesting re polls, I didn't know that.

I had the overwhelming impression they were due a landslide. I've read as much.

I think from the POV of a Scottish voter, Labour are perhaps a slightly different proposition, as is the whole political landscape.

Nothing and no one is perfect so expecting that from our political parties is crazy

I'm not looking for perfect. I'm just looking for someone who can calmly state that gravity exists, that women are female, and that the earth is a sphere.

Such a good point @FlirtsWithRhinos, you’re right, of course they will.

My concern with the position that "we need Labour to sort out the Tories' mess, women's rights are less important than the challenges of just day to day livng" is that Labour will find these problems are hard to fix and there's no easy answers.

So they will look around for "easy" targets to show their supporters they are doing something.

Elevating gender over sex is cheap and easy.

No, I'll rephrase that. Elevating gender over sex is incredibly hard. It involves properly understanding gender and rethinking society from the ground up, changing all our existing structures and most likely creating new versions of at least some single sex provisions that remain necessary and relevant even in a gender-first world.

But elevating gender over sex is cheap and easy if you ignore all the above, have no intention of even acknowledging the impact on female people, let alone doing anything concrete to mitigate it, and think all that is needed is to make it a legal fact that anything that currently says "women only" includes all males who identify as women, no ifs no buts no exceptions.

That way just needs some legal changes...debates and the cost of updating a few legal documents and maybe some signs on a few doors.

No cost to change infrastructure, implement new support services, rethink anything at all, and thanks to these ridiculous tribal "Culture Wars", of huge symbolic value to their noisiest supporters as we are seeing in Liverpool.

Of course they will do it.

I think this idea that a political party has to be perfect, and will absolutely 100% solve all the problems is a huge problem. I am married to a wonderful man, who I choose to spend my life with, and it's a choice I make every day. But he's not perfect. Nothing and no one is perfect so expecting that from our political parties is crazy.

I do not believe that labour are going to completely change things in five minutes. But what I DO believe is that the Tory government has way too many entitled, complacent people who have lost sight of what being in politics means. I think even if they were the best party normally, they have been in power for so long, they simply don't have a clue any more - made worse during a cost of living crisis when conservative politicians are almost always relatively well off and completely protected from the reality of tough economic conditions.

If Labour is in power for 13 years, I suspect I'll feel the same but for right now, we need fresh blood. We need new energy and we need some effort to change. Bloody Rishi Sunak cannot be, "the party of change" FFS.

You don't NEED to do anything. Your vote is yours to do whatever you like with. You don't even need to tell your husband who you are voting for.

I do find it irritating when men tell women that women's rights aren't a priority.

I'd counter by asking him why Labour aren't standing up for women's rights if they hope to win an election. It's not at all clear that they actually want to be in power. Shouting about identity politics and mud slinging from the opposition benches is so much easier.

I am very gc, but I would never ever vote Tory.
I will likely be voting labour.

BBC womens hour reported last week that Labour have very strong support from women. I'm afraid that a great many people do not believe the trans issue is important and imo this is because they don't think it affects them,

People don't seem to be able to think about the consequences. Men don't see this is affecting them so aren't interested. My DP thinks it's all ridiculous but I know it won't affect how he votes.

I will not vote Labour unless they commit to changing the EA to being a biological woman. I won't vote Conservative because of the state of the country and the party but also because they are in a position to change things but haven't, They still haven't released guidance to schools for example. It is under the Tory's that our rights have been eroded and this has been allowed to happen. They could have dealt with this and theyve chosen not to, remember also some of them are TWAW so actually party policy in this is not clear.

As things stand. I will be spoiling my ballot paper. I think Labour will get in and I think we're in for a very rough, as bad if not worse, time than under the Tories.