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Transwoman on being in a woman's ward

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ArabellaScott · 08/10/2023 15:52

https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/trans-nhs-hospital-ward-mixed-tories-women-b2423144.html

''When it came to washing my body or clearing up after me, I was entirely dependent on nurses. They saw, wiped and dried every last inch of me.
A few days before my discharge, two nurses came to my bed, pulled the curtains closed for privacy and asked if I would mind telling them what it was like to be transgender.

We started chatting and at one point I said: “If you took every woman in this ward, stuck us all into stirrups and asked a gynae to take a good look, they wouldn’t be able to tell the difference between me and everyone.”

The nurses burst out laughing. “Oh, we know!” one of them exclaimed. “We’ve all been talking about it in the staff room. It looks just like the real thing!”'

...

'all humans begin their lives as female.'

I’m trans and fractured my spine – why don’t I belong on a women’s ward?

I look like a woman, sound like a woman and live as a woman, writes Diana Thomas. But the Conservatives believe, when in hospital, I don’t deserve the same kindness and compassion as other patients

https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/trans-nhs-hospital-ward-mixed-tories-women-b2423144.html

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RainWithSunnySpells · 08/10/2023 18:04

I always thought that stirrups (for this medical setting, not when horse riding) were more of a US thing?

LarissaFeodorovna · 08/10/2023 18:02

Also: 'stirrups'?

I've had four babies, two miscarriages, a gynae cancer scare, a colposcopy and a lifetime of smear tests and contraception appointments. 'Stirrups' have not featured at any point in this 30-odd year history of gynae interventions. Standard gynae/obstetric examinations feature you being asked to lie back with your legs bent and then let your knees fall apart. Next-level interventions like a colposcopy may have one of those examination couches with separate leg rests.

But stirrups? Someone's been watching too much gynae-themed porn.

Nanaof1 · 08/10/2023 18:02

ZeldaFighter · 08/10/2023 16:35

How does an adult male human grow or get labia and a clitoris? If the penis is inverted to make a cavity, I get that but where and how do you get lips and a magic bean from??? Your arm???

They use the male genitals and if there isn't enough, they will use some colon (intestine) for the lining.

hedgehogsunflower · 08/10/2023 18:01

What hospital is this that the nurses have time just to sit around chatting to patients? When I was on the postnatal ward (both times) all the staff were run off their feet and nobody seemed to have a second to spare.

RainWithSunnySpells · 08/10/2023 18:01

RufustheFactualReindeer · 08/10/2023 17:43

Not gonna lie but I’m afraid to google

but even without googling i know ‘even the gynecologist couldn’t tell’ is an outright lie

I hope that this isn't deleted for being too explicit!

The pelvis is a different shape and this dictates where the neo-vaginal canal can be placed and this plus the surrounding anatomy dictates the angle of the canal itself. The neo-labia usually surround the neo-clitoris, the repositioned urethral opeing and the neo-vaginal opening is just under the neo-labia. Then (depending on the individual this can be more or less distinct) you have the perineal raphe running to the anus.

YouJustDoYou · 08/10/2023 17:59

Cannotthinkofanametoday · 08/10/2023 17:30

As a retired gynae nurse I can assure you all that I never once discussed anyone’s genitalia in a staff room.

  1. There was no staff room
  2. We were too bl*y busy to stop and chat
  3. When you run an abnormal smear clinic you really have seen it all.
  4. I have seen breastless women, women with reconsructive breasts, women with radical labial surgery for cancer, women with out wombs, ovaries, fallopian tubes etc. BUT I have never seen a woman with a penis.

Ah, yes, we (women) all know that, but it doesn't slot in with male fantasy now, does it, when he needs to jerk off.

Justme56 · 08/10/2023 17:58

Let’s hope they haven’t been having the same conversations with the women on the ward. How creepy and yes unlikely.

ArabellaScott · 08/10/2023 17:57

FormerlyPathologicallyHappy · 08/10/2023 17:40

What breaks? Are other HCP getting breaks?

Bastards.

I believe these special HCPS are getting breaks for re-education, followed by extra Affirmation for Great Patients.

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YouJustDoYou · 08/10/2023 17:56

Brokendaughter · 08/10/2023 17:31

"and then we braided each others hair before skipping through a field of flowers in the sunshine trading friendship bracelets."

And gayly discusses using tampons and how to insert them, because that's what women do with each other, even as strangers! tosses flowers and petals whilst skipping merrily along

MzHz · 08/10/2023 17:55

Bonkersworknonsense · 08/10/2023 16:06

“We started chatting and at one point I said: “If you took every woman in this ward, stuck us all into stirrups and asked a gynae to take a good look, they wouldn’t be able to tell the difference between me and everyone.”

The nurses burst out laughing. “Oh, we know!” one of them exclaimed. “We’ve all been talking about it in the staff room. It looks just like the real thing!”'”
😂😂😂😂😂😂

I wonder if TRA’s actually believe this?

Absolutely

like as if we’d ever borrow a tampon off anyone let alone a man.

utter bollocks. I hope this author is filing this shit under fiction cost none of this happened outside their head.

Allthegoodnamesarechosen · 08/10/2023 17:55

How did Diana break Diana’s back? That’s a pretty serious injury. Did Diana fall off Diana's stilettos, come on, we’ve all done it.

frecklejuice · 08/10/2023 17:55

Were the nurses talking while they all sat around on their hour long lunch break with their feet up because we all know nurses have a shit load of time on their hands 🙄 And how lucky they were to get two nurses give them 100% attention! Ffs what a load of shit.

BillyOwen · 08/10/2023 17:54

To be fair I think the erectile tissue from the scrotum can be fashioned into a fairly realistic simulacrum of a labia. They come in all shapes and sizes after all.

However any gynaecologist that fails to notice that the burrowed-out ‘vault’ beyond these ‘labial’ folds, comes to an abrupt dead-end, is a gynaecologist that I want nowhere near my reproductive system.

YouJustDoYou · 08/10/2023 17:54

Oh, the fanfiction is strong with this one.

Oioicaptain · 08/10/2023 17:53

For what it's worth I believe him. I believe that, due to a back injury he couldn't move to wash himself. And I do believe that some of the nurses may well have agreed with him that his downstairs work looked realistic. Whether they believed this or not is another matter, but they were hardly going to risk offending a trans patient in this day and age, particularly one that writes a column and holds a position of power.

More unbelievable (or not as sadly the case should be) is that he was placed on a woman's ward and believes that his right to feel validated automatically trumps the right of vulnerable women to feel comfortable. Had he been able to stand up and walk around the ward, I'm sure that there would have been a lot of complaints.

TheNestedIf · 08/10/2023 17:51

For some reason, I've got a really itchy chin today.

truthhurts23 · 08/10/2023 17:51

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Oioicaptain · 08/10/2023 17:47

'You really don’t need me to tell you.

Well that never stopped a bloke did it?'

This made me chuckle. Oh so true!

Nanaof1 · 08/10/2023 17:45

JanesLittleGirl · 08/10/2023 16:23

What did we order?

What is this supposed to mean? Just say what you mean.

I take it to mean that biological women fought hard for their rights to safe spaces in shelters, rape crisis centers, sports, gym lockers and hospitals. We won them so now some duds are coming along and taking them back.

That author can blame all the duds who take no hormones, have no surgery and do nothing but "say" they are a woman and everyone is supposed to buy that claptrap. Especially since most do it to gain access to women, make them uncomfortable and use our hard fought for rights against us. The trans community could have and should have stood against the fakers, but they didn't. So now we have to protect ourselves from the fakers by protecting ourselves from all men who try and use our rights for their pleasure.

Trans is trans. I am fine giving them their own rights. I am not fine giving mine to them.

AsTreesWalking · 08/10/2023 17:45

To be fair to Ms Thomas, I think it's obvious that the paper forgot to end the paragraph after 'laughing.', and then pasted in part of a different article altogether. By mistake.

callmej · 08/10/2023 17:44

The nurses burst out laughing. “Oh, we know!” one of them exclaimed. “We’ve all been talking about it in the staff room. It looks just like the real thing!”'

I think it's plausible - I imagine them saying it very sarcastically while smiling indulgently and nodding. I think the key line is "The nurses burst out laughing."

RufustheFactualReindeer · 08/10/2023 17:43

RainWithSunnySpells · 08/10/2023 17:39

Yes, they are different.

I'm sure there was a thread on here once where someone was looking at an art project of plaster cast vulvas and they thought that some were FGM, only they turned out to be post-op TW. If you find that project, the differences between natal and neo-vaginas are clear.

Not gonna lie but I’m afraid to google

but even without googling i know ‘even the gynecologist couldn’t tell’ is an outright lie

RichardArmitagesWife · 08/10/2023 17:43

I knew it would be this grifter - his Telegraph columns were awful.

FormerlyPathologicallyHappy · 08/10/2023 17:40

What breaks? Are other HCP getting breaks?

Bastards.

RainWithSunnySpells · 08/10/2023 17:39

RufustheFactualReindeer · 08/10/2023 17:06

Pardon my ignorance but isnt a transwomans ‘vulva’ in a slightly different place to a womans vulva?

Yes, they are different.

I'm sure there was a thread on here once where someone was looking at an art project of plaster cast vulvas and they thought that some were FGM, only they turned out to be post-op TW. If you find that project, the differences between natal and neo-vaginas are clear.