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Transwoman on being in a woman's ward

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ArabellaScott · 08/10/2023 15:52

https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/trans-nhs-hospital-ward-mixed-tories-women-b2423144.html

''When it came to washing my body or clearing up after me, I was entirely dependent on nurses. They saw, wiped and dried every last inch of me.
A few days before my discharge, two nurses came to my bed, pulled the curtains closed for privacy and asked if I would mind telling them what it was like to be transgender.

We started chatting and at one point I said: “If you took every woman in this ward, stuck us all into stirrups and asked a gynae to take a good look, they wouldn’t be able to tell the difference between me and everyone.”

The nurses burst out laughing. “Oh, we know!” one of them exclaimed. “We’ve all been talking about it in the staff room. It looks just like the real thing!”'

...

'all humans begin their lives as female.'

I’m trans and fractured my spine – why don’t I belong on a women’s ward?

I look like a woman, sound like a woman and live as a woman, writes Diana Thomas. But the Conservatives believe, when in hospital, I don’t deserve the same kindness and compassion as other patients

https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/trans-nhs-hospital-ward-mixed-tories-women-b2423144.html

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PatatiPatatras · 08/10/2023 18:52

Could be a pair of male nurses, who couldn't find a clitoris with a map, a torch and a female anatomically correct mannequin for reference, who are being quoted.

RainWithSunnySpells · 08/10/2023 18:51

Please show where I am discussing the results of a specific person's surgery, rather than the results of vaginoplasty in general.

CliantheLang · 08/10/2023 18:51

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Woman: something a man can never be. HTH

Fleabane · 08/10/2023 18:51

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Don't worry, women aren't very interested in discussing male genitalia

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ArabellaScott · 08/10/2023 18:50

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I agree that it's butchery, and think you are making a wise choice. Clearly, people have different motivations, and the author of the article seems absolutely delighted to have been the subject of discussion.

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usuallyanon · 08/10/2023 18:44

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DogsAkimbo · 08/10/2023 18:43

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Women.

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BillyOwen · 08/10/2023 17:54

To be fair I think the erectile tissue from the scrotum can be fashioned into a fairly realistic simulacrum of a labia. They come in all shapes and sizes after all.

However any gynaecologist that fails to notice that the burrowed-out ‘vault’ beyond these ‘labial’ folds, comes to an abrupt dead-end, is a gynaecologist that I want nowhere near my reproductive system.

At the risk of sounding like an ignorant idiot, since when did scrotums (scrota?) have erectile tissue?

I'm a man and thought I was a pretty ordinary man, but I'm fairly sure my scrotum has never had an erection. I think if it had that I would have taken note of it. I'm just wondering what that would feel like...are there circumstances in which it would be advantageous? I hope I'm not missing out

Sorry, didn't mean to derail the thread; but where better than mumsnet to come for a male anatomy lesson?

viques · 08/10/2023 18:34

BillyOwen · 08/10/2023 17:54

To be fair I think the erectile tissue from the scrotum can be fashioned into a fairly realistic simulacrum of a labia. They come in all shapes and sizes after all.

However any gynaecologist that fails to notice that the burrowed-out ‘vault’ beyond these ‘labial’ folds, comes to an abrupt dead-end, is a gynaecologist that I want nowhere near my reproductive system.

Another thing that would put me off this surgeon is that despite it being perfectly possible ( waves to India) the surgeon didn’t think to craft a perfect cervix to finish off their masterpiece. Sorry, mistresspiece.

LoobiJee · 08/10/2023 18:33

namitynamechange · 08/10/2023 17:04

I think as a story it needs more dragons.

But that plus the weird boast about having teenage girl breasts is just so creepy it hurts.

“I think as a story it needs more dragons.”

😅

Boiledbeetle · 08/10/2023 18:25

I've not got to the end yet but.... I've been seeing medical professionals about gynacological issues for forty years. In all that time the only time a gynacologist has had my legs in stirrups has been when I've been on an operating table under general anaesthetic. All other examinations carried out by the consultant have not required stirrups.

Plus the fact that a transwoman hole is in (at least on every photo I've ever seen) a completely different location to women's vaginas would be a bit of a give away surely!

DevilinaCardigan · 08/10/2023 18:25

As a veteran of the SRS thread on the farms, I’ve seen some shit. Neo-vaginas don’t look like female vaginas. As PP mentioned, the placement a different and the quality of aesthetics varies widely.

MorvernBlack · 08/10/2023 18:25

ditalini · 08/10/2023 17:37

Yep, but I know 6ft women and they don't look anything like 6ft men.

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I have a fairly androgynous dress sense and I've had the occasional comment recently, mainly from wanky drunk men and shoe shop assistants (my feet match my height unfortunately). But that wasn't really my point, my point was there's nothing trans identifying about your height.

But I don't want to derail.

CriticalCondition · 08/10/2023 18:20

I'd be pretty surprised if a gynecologist couldn't identify a female pelvis up on an examination couch at 100 paces.

The stirrups are the ultimate female accessory in this fantasy, aren't they. Like high heels or a handbag.

Winnading · 08/10/2023 18:16

Miyagi99 · 08/10/2023 17:17

Don’t know where you’ve got this information from but it’s incorrect. A person’s medical history is in their medical record so available to the medical professionals treated them.

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And your medical records can be changed to the other sex.
As can your passport and driving licence.

Are you new here?

RainWithSunnySpells · 08/10/2023 18:16

I just say it like 'rafe' Arabella. My knowledge of anatomy is from an art background though, rather than medical, so happy to be corrected.

RainWithSunnySpells · 08/10/2023 18:11

Nanaof1 · 08/10/2023 18:07

Yes, quite a bit "off the norm" shall we say.

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Yes, this.

Sorry, my punctuation is dodgy in my description above and it's too late to edit. What I meant to say is that the neo-labia doesn't surround the neo-vaginal opening in the same way that you have with natal anatomy.

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ArabellaScott · 08/10/2023 18:11

RainWithSunnySpells · 08/10/2023 18:01

I hope that this isn't deleted for being too explicit!

The pelvis is a different shape and this dictates where the neo-vaginal canal can be placed and this plus the surrounding anatomy dictates the angle of the canal itself. The neo-labia usually surround the neo-clitoris, the repositioned urethral opeing and the neo-vaginal opening is just under the neo-labia. Then (depending on the individual this can be more or less distinct) you have the perineal raphe running to the anus.

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raphe is a new word for me! Every day's a school day. Is it pronounced like Ranulph?

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Duckskitbank · 08/10/2023 18:09

I’ll file this under “person who used to own testicles continues talking bollocks after their removal”.

WickedSerious · 08/10/2023 18:09

It's one of those hospitals where surgeons are always amputating the wrong leg isn't it?

Nanaof1 · 08/10/2023 18:07

RufustheFactualReindeer · 08/10/2023 17:06

Pardon my ignorance but isnt a transwomans ‘vulva’ in a slightly different place to a womans vulva?

Yes, quite a bit "off the norm" shall we say.

Nanaof1 · 08/10/2023 18:06

AgnesX · 08/10/2023 17:03

I would like to hope that any gynaecologist worth his/her salt could tell the difference.

Even the one who graduated last in their class would know at a glance.

DogsAkimbo · 08/10/2023 18:05

LarissaFeodorovna · 08/10/2023 18:02

Also: 'stirrups'?

I've had four babies, two miscarriages, a gynae cancer scare, a colposcopy and a lifetime of smear tests and contraception appointments. 'Stirrups' have not featured at any point in this 30-odd year history of gynae interventions. Standard gynae/obstetric examinations feature you being asked to lie back with your legs bent and then let your knees fall apart. Next-level interventions like a colposcopy may have one of those examination couches with separate leg rests.

But stirrups? Someone's been watching too much gynae-themed porn.

It’s an American thing (and probably elsewhere too). They use them there routinely.

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