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Transwoman on being in a woman's ward

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ArabellaScott · 08/10/2023 15:52

https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/trans-nhs-hospital-ward-mixed-tories-women-b2423144.html

''When it came to washing my body or clearing up after me, I was entirely dependent on nurses. They saw, wiped and dried every last inch of me.
A few days before my discharge, two nurses came to my bed, pulled the curtains closed for privacy and asked if I would mind telling them what it was like to be transgender.

We started chatting and at one point I said: “If you took every woman in this ward, stuck us all into stirrups and asked a gynae to take a good look, they wouldn’t be able to tell the difference between me and everyone.”

The nurses burst out laughing. “Oh, we know!” one of them exclaimed. “We’ve all been talking about it in the staff room. It looks just like the real thing!”'

...

'all humans begin their lives as female.'

I’m trans and fractured my spine – why don’t I belong on a women’s ward?

I look like a woman, sound like a woman and live as a woman, writes Diana Thomas. But the Conservatives believe, when in hospital, I don’t deserve the same kindness and compassion as other patients

https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/trans-nhs-hospital-ward-mixed-tories-women-b2423144.html

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EmpressaurusOfCats · 08/10/2023 22:00

Brokendaughter · 08/10/2023 19:33

Do all the other biological women regularly go round hopping their legs up into stirrups & comparing their labia like a XX version of a penis measuring contest?

It's not that I would take part (because I believe it's the sort of thing only some weird perv would think of), but you know, it hurts a little that I wasn't at least invited.

Was it D Hayton who thought women’s status depended on their breast size?

DogsAkimbo · 08/10/2023 21:06

Annisfinallygone · 08/10/2023 20:07

A male random is surely a mandom?

A Dandom lives in the Mandom

viques · 08/10/2023 21:02

RainWithSunnySpells · 08/10/2023 20:51

If the spinal fracture was one that could be treated with bed rest, the patient would need bed baths and also help using a bed pan/wiping etc. With a female patient that care could also include help with tampons/pads. I would imagine that a TW patient that needs to dilate regularly as part of the care of their neo-vagina would need help with that.

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Dilation. Another clue that sets those handcrafted artisanal vaginas apart from natural ones.

nothingcomestonothing · 08/10/2023 20:56

As PP said, extensive photographic evidence of the results of genital surgery on transgender people can be found on the SRS and GRS thread on KF. A strong stomach is required, both for the content and for the idiom of the posters there. A lot of the results of surgery on both sexes are genuinely shocking, and some medically knowledgeable kiwi farmers will post detailed info about the poor workmanship and the experimental nature of the techniques which are used. There is no way that a lay person, let alone a gynae professional, would ever mistake neo sex organs for natal sex organs.

The existence of this sad fantasy is one thing, but its publication as fact in a national newspaper is another. Educate yourselves and do better, mainstream journalism.

Boiledbeetle · 08/10/2023 20:53

I know Sunday is the day lots of people go to church but god this thread is very holy!

What did I miss????

Or even holey!

OvaHere · 08/10/2023 20:52

It's very convenient that neither hospitals or HCP's are allowed to comment publicly on claims made about them by patients.

RainWithSunnySpells · 08/10/2023 20:51

If the spinal fracture was one that could be treated with bed rest, the patient would need bed baths and also help using a bed pan/wiping etc. With a female patient that care could also include help with tampons/pads. I would imagine that a TW patient that needs to dilate regularly as part of the care of their neo-vagina would need help with that.

PaperWalkAndTalk · 08/10/2023 20:44

Sex is decided at the point of conception and dependent on the sperm being either X or Y.

Foetuses are (let's say) in a neutral state with stem cells that can grow into either male or female genitalia, but the DNA for every cell is still sexed.

There is the theory that too much or too little testosterone that a foetus receives results in homosexual (and perhaps at the extreme end transsexual). But that is only true for homosexual transsexuals. Interestingly autism is believed to have come from a foetus having too much testosterone, so really autistic males are at the opposite end of the spectrum to homosexual transsexuals.

For the writer in the article he is a heterosexual man, so the testosterone to the foetus theory doesn't work for him. Dr Ray Blanchard knows what is at play here.

Many of these writers would like to pretend that they are homosexual transsexuals, not heterosexual transsexuals.

ethelredonagoodday · 08/10/2023 20:40

ethelredonagoodday · 08/10/2023 20:38

I've been in hospital several times, both birth related and otherwise, including a couple of stats of up to 5 days. Never, during that, has anyone washed me, despite having GAs more than once. It's been a case of staggering to the shower once I've been up to it?!

*stays

ethelredonagoodday · 08/10/2023 20:38

I've been in hospital several times, both birth related and otherwise, including a couple of stats of up to 5 days. Never, during that, has anyone washed me, despite having GAs more than once. It's been a case of staggering to the shower once I've been up to it?!

RainWithSunnySpells · 08/10/2023 20:30

WalterHWhite · 08/10/2023 19:25

So articles like that is where my ds got his information on all foetuses are feminine and if they don’t have enough testosterone then voila! they’re really women. Would be funny if it wasn’t so dangerous

It was theorised for a while that all foetuses begin their development on the female path and then at a certain point the males then diverted to the male development path, while the females carried on the female path.

However, in recent years, the understanding is that male foetuses never begin by going down the female path, it's just that the foestus at that stage of development are too underdeveloped to be able to tell the difference between a female foetus and a male foetus.

Of course, if you took a cell and tested it, you would be able to find out if a Y chromosone was present or not.

Therefore the now outdated 'all foetuses begin by going down the female delelopment path' is popular with some transwomen, no idea if it's as popular with transmen though!

BernardBlacksMolluscs · 08/10/2023 20:27

crikey

i really dunno why newspapers are giving this guy and his consistently weird fantasies any airtime

CriticalCondition · 08/10/2023 20:24

RealityFan · 08/10/2023 19:25

Maybe if someone invaded your home and told you about how fine it was, and there was really nothing to get upset about, you'd understand about the destruction of boundaries.

And the fact we can tell from his previous writings what his attitudes to women are.

And how the MSM are very happy to not only publicise the transgression, and even moreso, to celebrate it.

I'm not sure if you are aiming this at me RealityFan. I have been reading this board for several years although I don't post much. There are patterns and I recognise them. As I'm sure do most of people who have been here a long time.

It is no surprise to me that this thread attracted a certain kind of visitor. It seems I failed to convey that to you.

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Annisfinallygone · 08/10/2023 20:07

A male random is surely a mandom?

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RethinkingLife · 08/10/2023 19:39

Brokendaughter · 08/10/2023 19:33

Do all the other biological women regularly go round hopping their legs up into stirrups & comparing their labia like a XX version of a penis measuring contest?

It's not that I would take part (because I believe it's the sort of thing only some weird perv would think of), but you know, it hurts a little that I wasn't at least invited.

Likewise never invited.

If invited, would decline at a rate of knots.

Worriedmum159 · 08/10/2023 19:33

DogsAkimbo · 08/10/2023 19:26

Male Random! 😆

I think it’s brilliant. Going to use it from now.

Brokendaughter · 08/10/2023 19:33

Do all the other biological women regularly go round hopping their legs up into stirrups & comparing their labia like a XX version of a penis measuring contest?

It's not that I would take part (because I believe it's the sort of thing only some weird perv would think of), but you know, it hurts a little that I wasn't at least invited.

PaperWalkAndTalk · 08/10/2023 19:30

There does appear to have been in the last week a number of middle-aged male identified transsexuals writing to various papers about this topic.

I wonder if all journalists put something out there asking for these articles (I saw similar with Andrew Tate and how journalists at BBC, various papers all put out requests for articles in the same week).

BlessedKali · 08/10/2023 19:28

I am so, so, SO ready for this shit to be over.

RufustheFactualReindeer · 08/10/2023 19:28

DogsAkimbo · 08/10/2023 19:26

Male Random! 😆

😀🤦🏻‍♂️

ArabellaScott · 08/10/2023 19:26

Oh, good, they're away. Thanks, whoever reported the irritant.

I was going to explain to a pp who asked about 'bottoms' that that theory espoused by the poster who is no longer with us is best explained by the loathsome sexist framing of Andrea Long Chu:

'The “barest essentials” of “femaleness” are “an open mouth, an expectant asshole, blank, blank eyes.” - Andrea Long Chu'

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DogsAkimbo · 08/10/2023 19:26

RufustheFactualReindeer · 08/10/2023 19:24

random 😀 dunno what a dandom is

Male Random! 😆

WalterHWhite · 08/10/2023 19:25

So articles like that is where my ds got his information on all foetuses are feminine and if they don’t have enough testosterone then voila! they’re really women. Would be funny if it wasn’t so dangerous

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