Transwoman on being in a woman's ward

'And everybody started clapping!'

It also raises the perennial q re: who decides which transperson "passes"?

Genitals are irrelevant. Is Diana suggesting genital checks? Surely not.

Where Diana goes, an Isla Bryson with a GRC follows (actually, I've no idea whether DT has a cert or not, and I don't believe it, nor so-called SRS, should make a difference).

Did you miss the now deleted poster’s posts reality? The ‘bat signal’ reference was referring to them. And was perfectly apt for the past week actually.

Reality, you got the wrong end of the stick. The rest of us knew what the bat signal line was about and meant. You misinterpreted that post.

Taking another tack.

Diana is/was a respected journalist at one point so I will take the story at face value.

Diana is still saying that where a transwoman is physically indistinguishable from a woman, they belong on a women's ward. Essentially the argument just before the GRA, or around that time. They're not engaging with the changes since then. So... not much help.

Yeah on men.

Friends of mine have posted this Independent link as a "she, transwoman should be on female wards!" - they have been gaslit. It is full of lies and opinions, no facts! Drives me mad how this can be published. The bit about it looking real is pure fantasy. The nurses are fictional.

Yeah, they're in the wrong place, for a start. I

Also, from what a doctor on here said, it's a criminal offence, that's criminal, not civil, to disclose a trans status of a patient with a GRC, without their express permission.

She said that if a woman, with a GRC, came to her pregnant and complaining of stomach cramps, she could only write in her referral, 'abdominal pain', if the woman didn't want her to disclose that she was trans.

Sorry, but I knew they were referring to the "now deleted" visitor that had swooped into the conversation with moronic posts that no one could understand, or could understand but thought that poster OTT.

Of course we aren't. In their minds we are also slutty dresses, big boobs, head tilts and garish makeup. Oh, and we are obsessed with our genitals and boobs and if someone is SSA, too obsessed with genitals since they should be open to female penises and are transphobic if they aren't. Ditto the other way with SSA men who aren't interested in a bonus hole.

Because they know the hell that would be unleashed on them if they didn't.

Just like men have their penis measuring contests these "altered" men think women do the same. When they find out that sane, normal women do not do this, they get very upset because they need that affirmation. If it was done, they'd be highly disappointed and then mad that everyone wasn't clapping for them.

Yes, you have misinterpreted my post RealityFan. And I'm puzzled that you still seem to be hammering away at that particularly strained construction.

'Bat signal' has long been used as shorthand on this board to refer to the influx of trans activists who descend on MN threads, particularly threads about a certain kind of TW.

You are a prolific poster on this board and I am surprised that you did not pick up the reference. Perhaps in your 'needled' state you are on transmit rather than receive. Oh well.

Incidentally I find your use of 'GCs' rather offensive. I have gender critical views. I am not 'a GC'.

Was it D Hayton who thought women’s status depended on their breast size?

Yes, I think it was, Empress

"Bat signal", "I wonder what it is about this thread that brings the visitors"?

I take that as a slight that GCs on MN are easily triggered, and you really don't know why.

Apologies if I've misinterpreted, but surely you do know why we would get riled by a major piece of provocative male entitlement. Hell, I'm a male, and he pisses me off royally.

Bat signal? A piece in MSM mopping his egotistical brow. It's a bat signal aimed at eyes of every woman out there. He wants you all to know he can lord it over female staff, patients...and readers.

Would that be MGM? Albeit voluntary.

This. It sounds like a male fantasy rather than something that actually happened.

beautifully put

Oh this is someone who has always disliked women. And seemingly has very little understanding of women’s physiology. We’re not just walking vaginas, whatever some men fantasise.

I was plain speaking. I was not 'purposely' vague as you put it. I had already posted on the thread from which my views on this issue were clear. I was not 'mangling' language as you imply. I really don't know what sort of hair trigger you are on if you can misinterpret what I said to the point of thinking I was one of the unwelcome and now deleted 'visitors' I was referring to.

Yeah,I'd imagine it would be a bit of a giveaway.

Just be plain speaking, rather than purposely vague.

Fwiw, the whole of the trans debate from the activists side is shrouded in cryptic arguing and obscurantist takes, that I'm immediately needled if people don't say what's on their mind and in their heart.

Indeed, I worry for all of us as the language that should bind us is mangled.

That's quite a fantasy! The 'totally dependent on nurses' theme is pretty icky, but the teenage breast bit made me very queasy.

Anyway, I've actually been seriously ill in hospital for long enough to need washing and can confirm that no one examined my underneath. In fact the HCPs who washed me were politely and professionally careful not to be staring at any part of my body, especially not the more private zones.