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Transwoman on being in a woman's ward

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ArabellaScott · 08/10/2023 15:52

https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/trans-nhs-hospital-ward-mixed-tories-women-b2423144.html

''When it came to washing my body or clearing up after me, I was entirely dependent on nurses. They saw, wiped and dried every last inch of me.
A few days before my discharge, two nurses came to my bed, pulled the curtains closed for privacy and asked if I would mind telling them what it was like to be transgender.

We started chatting and at one point I said: “If you took every woman in this ward, stuck us all into stirrups and asked a gynae to take a good look, they wouldn’t be able to tell the difference between me and everyone.”

The nurses burst out laughing. “Oh, we know!” one of them exclaimed. “We’ve all been talking about it in the staff room. It looks just like the real thing!”'

...

'all humans begin their lives as female.'

I’m trans and fractured my spine – why don’t I belong on a women’s ward?

I look like a woman, sound like a woman and live as a woman, writes Diana Thomas. But the Conservatives believe, when in hospital, I don’t deserve the same kindness and compassion as other patients

https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/trans-nhs-hospital-ward-mixed-tories-women-b2423144.html

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WinterTrees · 09/10/2023 13:44

Looking forward to Grace Lavery's 'choose your own adventure' account of HCP's in a female-only setting reacting to Lavery's 'staggering penis'.

I'm guessing Lavery would go for a scenario of awe and wonder rather than Diana's fantasy of giggling sisterhood?

PaperWalkAndTalk · 09/10/2023 13:13

Tinysoxxx · 09/10/2023 12:35

I hope whoever gave the thumbs up for the article to be published is reading this thread. I would love their thoughts on if they now feel a bit of a plonker.

Doubt it, there was a variety of these articles last week. A lot of papers must've asked for a trans response to the Tory party conference and I think it fills a quota for the papers by giving a voice to the trans community, satisfies the woke journalists that work there, whilst (I'm hoping the cynical) editors know that by giving them a voice lets them show their nonsense.

After all the paper is letting these people have a voice, they're not necessarily endorsing it.

PaperWalkAndTalk · 09/10/2023 13:08

theDudesmummy · 09/10/2023 11:59

If he is against feminism, how does he square that with his fantasy that he is a woman? Surely "as a woman" you would want to fight for the rights of your sisters, right?

Yes it is one of those strange things that apparently you're "supposed to be a women" yet act in the most misogynistic way going. I think a lot of it is jealously at something they cannot have.

But there is a trend with "transmaxxing", whereby MRAs transition to enjoy the "benefits". It's a very strange mindset.

RainWithSunnySpells · 09/10/2023 13:06

Thanks Motorina. 🙂

Motorina · 09/10/2023 12:57

RainWithSunnySpells · 08/10/2023 18:16

I just say it like 'rafe' Arabella. My knowledge of anatomy is from an art background though, rather than medical, so happy to be corrected.

I appreciate this is sidetracking, but I was an early reader and a late speaker, so have a horror of inadvertent mispronunciations.

It's 'rafay' to rhyme with cafe.

Myalternate · 09/10/2023 12:43

….two nurses came to my bed, pulled the curtains closed for privacy and asked if I would mind telling them what it was like to be transgender.

So, they knew the person wasn’t a real woman…

We started chatting and at one point I said: “If you took every woman in this ward, stuck us all into stirrups and asked a gynae to take a good look, they wouldn’t be able to tell the difference between me and everyone.”
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The nurses burst out laughing. “Oh, we know!” one of them exclaimed. “We’ve all been talking about it in the staff room…

That was probably the end of the conversation. If it had even taken place in reality.

Tinysoxxx · 09/10/2023 12:35

I hope whoever gave the thumbs up for the article to be published is reading this thread. I would love their thoughts on if they now feel a bit of a plonker.

Citrusandginger · 09/10/2023 12:27

Surgery or not, this particular leopard hasn't changed their spots. They still hate women as much as they ever did.

I usually feel sympathy for people who have invested so much in a fantasy, but not in this case. Imagine though, the dissonance involved in living a lie day-to-day. Imagine having to write more and more absurd copy to justify your decisions to yourself. And imagine struggling so much to rationalise your decisions that you make up fantasies about nurses that belong in the era of Barbara Windsor and Kenneth Williams.

FictionalCharacter · 09/10/2023 12:27

theDudesmummy · 09/10/2023 11:59

If he is against feminism, how does he square that with his fantasy that he is a woman? Surely "as a woman" you would want to fight for the rights of your sisters, right?

It’s one of the many anomalies. Claiming to be an actual woman, indistinguishable from those of us born female, yet campaigning only for trans rights and never for women’s rights.

EmpressaurusOfCats · 09/10/2023 12:12

theDudesmummy · 09/10/2023 11:49

Yeah, I was going to say that too. Surely this man is being very transphobic in his celebration of his supposedly lifelike vagina? What about all the "transwomen" who have not had surgery, or have had surgery but it doesn't actually look like a vagina (which in the real world is all of them of course)? Are these men not to be allowed their God-given right to invade private female space? Shocking.

It’s not very #BeKind, is it?

theDudesmummy · 09/10/2023 11:59

If he is against feminism, how does he square that with his fantasy that he is a woman? Surely "as a woman" you would want to fight for the rights of your sisters, right?

PaperWalkAndTalk · 09/10/2023 11:56

The man has written thriller fiction as well as a book moaning about feminism. He is the very definition of MRA, and it's clear he doesn't live in reality and continues to write fiction to this day.

theDudesmummy · 09/10/2023 11:53

If he had a health problem with his "vagina", would he want to be in the gynae ward? Where the doctors would have had precisely no training in his type of wound. (I am guessing given how batshit this all is, that he well might, even though it would be injurious to his own health, just to make a point. He could then go on about how the gynaecologists all laughed together and applauded his genitals).

theDudesmummy · 09/10/2023 11:49

Yeah, I was going to say that too. Surely this man is being very transphobic in his celebration of his supposedly lifelike vagina? What about all the "transwomen" who have not had surgery, or have had surgery but it doesn't actually look like a vagina (which in the real world is all of them of course)? Are these men not to be allowed their God-given right to invade private female space? Shocking.

WoollyBat · 09/10/2023 11:34

And by thinking or implying that passing (or even just one’s surgically constructed genitals passing, on their own!) should be the reason it’s fine to be on a women’s ward, Thomas is being extremely transphobic according to many TRAs - for whom self-declaration is the only criterion that should matter and it’s mean and unfair to only count those who have “passing privilege”.

Justme56 · 09/10/2023 11:17

As people have said, because this person thinks they pass they should be allowed to share a ward. There is no indication of what to do with the many people who don’t pass. All they are bothered about is themselves and their individual situation.

It’s funny because Menno posted about their experience of visiting a TW in hospital and their conversation also revolved around genitals.

RealityFan · 09/10/2023 11:16

CriticalCondition · 09/10/2023 09:58

Glad you find it funny, RealityFan. I'll leave you here to read the thread while I head off to see the amazing Ben Cooper in action.

Let me down gently.

YouJustDoYou · 09/10/2023 10:59

Cannot believe the journo honestly thinks biology doesn't exist.

CriticalCondition · 09/10/2023 09:58

Glad you find it funny, RealityFan. I'll leave you here to read the thread while I head off to see the amazing Ben Cooper in action.

RealityFan · 09/10/2023 09:44

Nanaof1 · 09/10/2023 05:31

Sorry, but I knew they were referring to the "now deleted" visitor that had swooped into the conversation with moronic posts that no one could understand, or could understand but thought that poster OTT.

Haha, well I'm totally lost now.

CriticalCondition · 09/10/2023 09:42

<pokes head round door and scans room nervously >

Is it safe? That was a bit weird last night. I've never been accused of being a trans activist before. All the deleted posts from the TRA who swooped on the thread were still there when RealityFan posted and he just wouldn't let it lie. Thanks for the back up everyone. I knew I wasn't going mad.

DialSquare · 09/10/2023 09:39

As CriticalCondition said, bat signal is commonly used on here to imply that there is an incoming of TRAs.

Transparent2 · 09/10/2023 09:04

Nanaof1 · 09/10/2023 05:16

Just like men have their penis measuring contests these "altered" men think women do the same. When they find out that sane, normal women do not do this, they get very upset because they need that affirmation. If it was done, they'd be highly disappointed and then mad that everyone wasn't clapping for them.

We have penis measuring contests? That's news to me.

Helleofabore · 09/10/2023 08:52

Honestly, Thomas will do anything to continue to live in that gender euphoric phase.

Ofcourseshecan · 09/10/2023 08:48

Well I believe every word of his story, you nasty cynics. And that he then galloped around the ward on his tame unicorn while a rainbow shone down on them and all the other patients threw flowers. 😂