Hollie McNish

-preoperative

(Apart from everything else, you'd need to be very specific about which ops count.)

I mean, she's right in the sense that there are very few transwomen and not that many of them end up in hospital and there are very many things that are wrong with hospitals that get less attention than the issue of transwomen in women's wards.

Personally I would go for a rule of no pre-operative transwomen on women's wards, side rooms on mixed or male wards used at discretion, there you go Hollie, sorted it now we can focus on the things you think we should.

Doesn’t she know that transwomen, written as all one word, is seen as offensive by TRAs?

A well-meaning but tone-deaf poem. A lot of words to say “this never happens” and “be kind”. I can only imagine how triggering this poem would be for the patient who was raped by a TW and then gaslit by the NHS.

Hollie needs to educate herself. This is not about good, kind people versus evil Suella De Villes. It’s about women losing their rights, their dignity, privacy, safety, sports, achievements, single-sex spaces, even the words they use to describe themselves and their healthcare needs. If men can be women too, then the word “woman” loses all meaning. TW should never have been told they were W. It was a cruel lie that has benefited no one. They should have been supported to live as they wished and wear what they want, but to respect women-only spaces and services.

Women-only spaces are needed because sex matters more than gender identity, as has been proven time and again.

I went to see her and really liked her - there was a fab poem about the shittiness of being a female teenager.

The poem in the OP is so ignorant.

Well ....not exactly John Boyne now is she ?

Oh. I liked her. 😔

That's disappointing. I liked her.

Inventing anger?

Gaslighting women more like.

The odd one in the past would be accommodated in a side room- that's why no one complained - now the numbers have increased they will have to stick to their XY wards - don't you think nurses have mums sisters daughters aunties for goodness sake

Handmaidenry 101, nearly summed up by Hollie in just a few lines!

1. This never happens.
2. Well it hasn’t happened to me, or anyone I know, so it as good as never happens.
3. Zero empathy for women who might think it’s a problem or who have experienced the problem.
4. Bonus weird and inappropriate mention of sex.

Good job Hollie! You just need to throw about the word TERF a few times, accuse said TERFs of denying the existence of trace people, chant the mantra TWAW and tell them they can pee next to you and you’re golden!

Oh I'm a fan ☹️
Disappointing

I think in that very first line Holly has unwittingly declared what the issue is : Men moaning when they can't get what they want.

Granddad was on a hospital ward complaining in public about the fact that he had not had sex.
And the female stranger in the bed beside him just rolled her eyes and laughed ........

Creepy opening line setting the (low) bar for what women should accept

Isn't the point that wards have been single sex until this point

NHS Annex B that allows people to be placed on the ward of their chosen gender has been in place for over a decade. [Edit - underpinning single-sex care policy was about 2010, the document with the current iteration of trans exception set out in the infamous annex B is dated 2019; not sure exactly when policy started to be applied in current manner.] But hardly anyone knew about it, so it wasn't being exploited. It's only much more recently that the boundary-pushing has ramped up, and that people have started to investigate and discuss it.

The 'there are no men on this ward' rape case that is often referenced actually happened a few years ago - but took time to come to light because the NHS were insistent 'no men' and therefore the police wouldn't investigate a rape that couldn't have happened.

Hollie has written some pretty good poems, notably one on breastfeeding. This is not one of them, though.

My late mum had to have an emergency ECG when she was in her eighties, so she was asked to take off her bra.

She went into the loo on the ward to do so, and when she came out, she furtively handed me her bra, which she had wrapped up in a bit of loo roll to hide it.

She would have been beyond mortified and petrified to have had to have been on a ward with a man in a nightie. Ladyfeelz or no ladyfeelz.

But who gives a fuck how an octogenarian woman feels, eh? Probably just an old bigot.

Holly what’s wrong with dividing categories by sex. It seems a perfectly logical thing to do especially in a medical setting. If you would rather be in a mixed sex ward that’s your choice and I’m sure it can be arranged. More space for those who don’t.

🤔

So she hasn’t read about the woman who was raped on a woman’s ward by a man on the same ward? And the fact that the hospital denied for over a year that there had been a man on the ward? Is this “nobody”, Hollie?

Am I missing something? Isn't the point that wards have been single sex until this point and we're attempting to prevent males going onto female wards? When did foreseeing something as a potential problem and preventing it before it becomes a massive issue become the wrong thing to do?
There can be no doubt that transwomen on female wards have and will cause distress to vulnerable women. (The kind of women who are likely just to be quiet, or be ignored and chastised if they do complain) Hollie is in a hugely privileged position if she cannot see this.

It hasn’t entered her mind for one moment that women might not want to publicly object to males on female hospital wards?

Because no woman who objects to males in female only spaces has ever:

• been harassed
• been threatened with rape or other violence
• has her family threatened
• been doxxed
• lost her job
• been shouted down as a bigot

Holly needs to imagine that screaming person in a nighty was a male, and rather than annoyed her granny would likely have felt petrified.

I have no idea who she is, but her comments are sound and transwomen being on women’s wards is a vehicle by the Tories to take the eye off the other more pressing problems.

The fact stands though that males should not be on female wards.

It makes sense to discuss all of these not undermine each other’s critique of a lousy government.

She's always talking about what she wishes she'd "been taught". She's very vocal about society needing to "teach" all manner of sexual things, including masturbation, and pleasure in general. Stuff that kind of makes sense in conversations with your own teens, but is absolutely inappropriate in any formal adult to child setting (school of sexuality education - I'm looking at you....)

So I have the impression she feels the need to be seen as very much NOT a prudish, pearl clutcher (not that any of us actually are, of course). I still think she's fantastic in lots of ways, though.

…but the rape on the ward wasn’t done by a transwoman - don’t you recall - they protested and protested there were no men on that ward.

…therefore if there are not accurate records - how do we know if no one has complained about a transwoman on a female ward…???

Without language that is backed up by meaning who knows what records, stats, etc are made up. It’s open season for 1984.