Trans bathroom access - the equality act is 13 years old so why is there such a challenge on it now?

It's like there is an alert for thread titles which have any of the following - toilets pronouns, name badges, email signatures etc etc. They never insert themselves in the legal threads, or the tribunal tweets ones, or the threads of specific examples of women being harmed.

This thread is actually quite an interesting thread of the issues around the meaning of words being changed and how that impacts on the implementation of legislation. As always, it's disrupted with 'but you can't call them men!!!'/'pelvic inspectors'/'moral panic' instead of a discussion about how to balance the existing single sex exemption rights as laid out in the EQA 2010 with the demands for gender neutral provisions.

Realistically, when you meet someone for the first time, your assumption of their gender comes from their appearance (how they choose to present) instead of their anatomy.

I don't subscribe to the existence of "gender" as anything but a social construct based on sex stereotypes. Only a person's sex is relevant.

Hmm…. Lots of women, and lots of men - most, actually - think male bodied people are male, regardless of their personality and preferences.

The transwomen thing is irrelevant really. No people with penises in single sex places.

Toilets, of course, are less important (in general) than open plan changing rooms, prisons, hospital wards and rape crisis centres. But toilets are very important where some women and girls cannot use mixed facilities for religious reasons, or because of history of SA or such like.

Do you think women should have to share single sex places with people with penises?

“Realistically, when you meet someone for the first time, your assumption of their gender comes from their appearance (how they choose to present) instead of their anatomy”

Please don’t project your own shortcomings onto others. No, I seriously don’t assume from appearances.

Besides, didn’t you tell us we all wait for an omnipresent being to tell us what to think and wouldn’t she just be telling us the truth based on her omnipresent powers?

You really cannot have it both ways.

Realistically, when you meet someone for the first time, your assumption of their gender comes from their appearance (how they choose to present) instead of their anatomy

Really realistically, no it doesn't

No, my assumption about their sex is very much based on their anatomy.

I don't assume anything about their gender because gender isn't real.

A gelding is a male, just as a stallion is a male.

Humans are obviously more complex. Do you see horses having a left and right wing political system and a complex economy? Male and female are obviously sex-related words but man and woman can refer to both gender and sex. Realistically, when you meet someone for the first time, your assumption of their gender comes from their appearance (how they choose to present) instead of their anatomy

What is a male gender?

Can you talk us through how someone's gender can be male please?

You can start by defining both "gender" and "male".

"Hey! If you like derailing women's conversations about building regs, are just about literate, and really muddled about what is sex and what is gender, get on over here! " < that one? They use that one a lot, by the looks of things...

Assuming that you are posting in good faith, op...

Sex = female and male
Human adults = women and men

'Woman' and 'man' aren't 'gender' words, they're 'sex' words. They're the words we use to refer to human adults of each sex.

Woman and man are no more 'gender' words than are mare or stallion. Horses only have a sex, not a gender. Same goes for chickens and roosters, bitches and dogs, ewes and rams and on and on and on...

...as for why now? We've been shouting about all this stuff for YEARS

https://animalcorner.org/animal-names/

So you are talking about some omnipresent being ? Like a goddess of toilets?

Well that is novel! And great that OP won’t need much further advice then!

Fantastic. Please give the Scottish Courts a call. Ask for Lady Haldane, and set her right.

Question that should be asked is why is it a vote winner? Could it be because a majority of people believe in reality

Sex and gender are not the same thing. Of course a trans man is biologically a woman but that doesn't stop his gender from being male

You've got it mixed up again! Male is a sex, not a gender. Do you think there is something male about a man?

Why would Auntie G let a stranger use her bathroom?

Sorry I cross posted with Arabella.

You do realise the many of the very first women to take the position that single sex spaces need to remain single sex were left wing feminists?

And have been working hard to pull together groups to meet with government committees and make submissions for many years?

I hope it is that you didn’t know this that prompted you to just erase the decade or so of work by these women.

Of course there will need to be some sort of check at toilet doors its not like we can tell a transwoman at 20 paces.

Actually could suggest that to sunak, it could be good for job creation

For the purposes of The Equality Act a Woman is a Female of any age.

https://questions-statements.parliament.uk/written-questions/detail/2020-03-05/HL2276/#:~:text=In%20the%20Equality%20Act%202010,a%20female%20of%20any%20age%22.

The toilet legislation (1991) long predates the silly muddling of Sex and Gender in the 2004 GRA.
The Equality Act 2010 made cleared up that muddle by providing a legal way to exclude Men with a GRC and and altered birth certificate from female only provision.

Stonewall have been pretending otherwise, which is why they have been dropped by so many of their former Champions/Equality Index Members.

Equality Act is just really hard for individuals to get recourse from because it seems like a decent set of tribunal lawyers costs over a hundred grand (thank goddess for crowdfunding).

OP, for what reason would we need services segregated by gender? Why would women felz and men felz need different sports? Bear in mind the number of TW who do nothing surgically or hormonally when they transition (aka the majority).

If we segregate by gender and there are 100 different genders, why do we not have 100 different toilets?

I am agender. Which toilet should I use when there is no agender option?.

There is no logic in the anti women movement's position.

Sex and gender are not the same thing. Of course a trans man is biologically a woman but that doesn't stop his gender from being male

@ArabellaScott No, she's busy inspecting people's pelvis width to decide if they can come in the bathroom or not

Ahhh yes… women cannot think about their own needs and experiences and make a decision issues.

Hey women of the world …. Which one of you stated your opinion that we all copied? Come on, hands up!