Tired of this already

In what way are we dumbing down by saying that' it's not possible for a man to be a woman?
It's a basic fact of life.

Well put. 👏

I'm sure it is easier, but that's not how language or science works. Gender is not a physical characteristic, so why pretend it is? Our brains can deal with much more than we throw at them. We don't have to dumb down and I don't know why you'd want to unless you're trying to avoid dealing with reality.

The reality is that gender identity ideology is a quasi religious belief based on sexist, unprogressive stereotypes of male and female behaviour.

@AllProperTeaIsTheft, a biological woman is one who has had to deal with the challenges of being a woman since birth.

The point I was trying to get the poster to recognise is that a woman is by definition a biological woman. There is no other kind of woman. There are women. And there are men who 'feel like' they are women. If I feel like a cat, does that mean I am one?

I think you are the one avoiding reality @Antst . The reality is that a woman is a biological woman. There is no gender woman. A transwoman is a man. A transman is a woman.

I'm sure it is easier, but that's not how language or science works. Gender is not a physical characteristic, so why pretend it is? Our brains can deal with much more than we throw at them. We don't have to dumb down and I don't know why you'd want to unless you're trying to avoid dealing with reality.

Maybe it's just time we all start talking about it. Calmly and politely, but far too many of us have been far too quiet for far too long.

This, with bells on.

Isn't it simpler to just ignore "gender" and "constructs" here, and define man and woman off of biology?

Let's imagine that there is some socially constructed role for women, and a role for men.

Why think that identifying with a role should then change "man" to "woman"?

Isn't it easier to say that they are a gender non conforming man?

Wow, that Sunak soundbyte has really set the cat amongst the pigeons. Meetings at work to fight bigotry, the virtue signalling is at max.

And please could we stop linking the T with the LGB .we have nothing in common nd the T is particularly dangerous around the L part.

Yeah it's driving me mad too. I'm finding it very hard not to comment on the hysterical call to arms and start arguments on my social media. Fuck off. I am a woman i was born a woman, my rights and protections are valid and needed. Yes I'm a biological woman but I don't need to add "biological" because it is THE ONLY TYPE OF WOMAN.

Maybe it's just time we all start talking about it. Calmly and politely, but far too many of us have been far too quiet for far too long.

At least it’s being discussed and is no longer invisible. How many barely concealed eye rolls did you count?

Amazing really. Imagine women in an office North of the border forcing an emergency support meeting when Sturgeon was railroading Self ID, to slate her and her threat to women.

How much rope would that be given? Not even a threads-worth.

These people should go to Iran, Afghanistan, Russia, N. Korea for the day, and check out bigotedness for real.

Fackin H

You mean I'm hurting males who believe they're females?
The world can't be run on feelings. If Rachel Dolezal says I'm hurting her because I don't believe she's black, should I bow to her?
When Senator Elizabeth Warren says I'm hurting her because I didn't believe she's Native American, should I bow to her?
Because those are the claims.

I've had enough of it too - there was an emergency safe space meeting at work today, to discuss the 'bigoted Tories' - an emotional email containing a pack of lies and whipping up of fervour and how to be allies - shocking.

I’m trying to understand, so please answer my question.

If you believe a “trans woman” is a woman, then can you explain what you think a “woman” is?

@Antst

Woman isn't a gender role, its a term of sex.

There is no good reason for the word to be repurposed into something else, and it is logically inconsistent to try.

@RealityFan, I believe strongly (as I said above) that spaces for biological women need to be protected. However, it is a reality that words have meaning. Gender is a construct. You are hurting women by not making an effort to understand.

Here we go! Another round of women versus those who say they're women on trans Reddit.

The people who call themselves “trans women” are men.

They aren’t women and never will be.

If you believe a “trans woman” is a woman, then can you explain what you think a “woman” is?

It's simple. Women, and by that you know who I mean, maintain their ages-acquired and established rights to sex-segregated spaces. Anyone else who wants to call themself a woman can do so in their own time, in the company of others who feel the same, as long as they respect that yellow line on the floor and the sign on the door that says Only Women Here.

Cos playing women can meet anywhere else.
It's so fucking simple.

@Boundoverbyacat, I don't understand what you're saying. That's just how the word works, what it means. It is an important part of the problem of figuring out exactly who needs to have what rights