Applicable only to volunteers who have ever been able to become pregnant

ImJustMadAboutSaffron · 2023-10-06T14:55:32+00:00

I am currently completing a form and this is a header to one of the questions. I guess it could include trans men, but it is an odd phrasing.

Froodwithatowel · 06/10/2023 19:48

Totally inaccessible. In order to be more accessible.

It's time for the differently slim uterus owner (one careful driver) to sing.

HagoftheNorth · 06/10/2023 19:46

I think the Society for Plain English should be having a field day with all this stuff! Where are they?

HagoftheNorth · 06/10/2023 19:42

ImJustMadAboutSaffron · 06/10/2023 16:24

I wouldn't say it is relevant, it is an immunology study.

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Yes, utterly barshit!

JanesLittleGirl · 06/10/2023 18:11

JacquelinePot · 06/10/2023 17:57

So, no virgins?

Apart from Mary.

JacquelinePot · 06/10/2023 17:57

So, no virgins?

SaffronSpice · 06/10/2023 17:47

Dizzydeers · 06/10/2023 17:25

As part of the study they probably do just want women who have conceived.

Not actually using the word women means the sentence could imply that they are saying women in a clunky way without saying women.

Then the question would simply have been “Have you ever been pregnant?”

easylikeasundaymorn · 06/10/2023 17:38

BillyOwen · 06/10/2023 16:48

So no virgins then?

or lesbians (well technically lesbians who haven't had sex with a man or gone through IVF or similar, obviously lesbians who have had kids know they can have kids), but if you've never had either then surely you cannot be able to become pregnant as sperm via some method is needed).

I thought uterus havers was ridiculous but this should win the award for 'most convoluted way of trying to say woman' (there could also be awards for 'most offensive way'.

Dizzydeers · 06/10/2023 17:25

As part of the study they probably do just want women who have conceived.

Not actually using the word women means the sentence could imply that they are saying women in a clunky way without saying women.

Coyoacan · 06/10/2023 17:20

Maybe ask the Society for Plain English.

That is the sort of bureaucratic speak that paralyses me.

EdgeOfACoin · 06/10/2023 17:14

What if you've tried to conceive for a few months but it hasn't happened and you don't know if you're infertile or not.

Would the study include you?

Bleepbloopbluurp · 06/10/2023 17:07

I wonder if pregnancy having reached a stage where you would know about it might have an impact on your immune system, such that the study needs to identify those participants. Without being an immunologist I can see that might be a thing. What's the question that is under the heading?

Chersfrozenface · 06/10/2023 17:00

My conclusion is that they can't say "women" nor even mention having a female reproductive system as a proxy for the dreaded word.

So they've gone for a convoluted version of the latter which, as shown above, might well not include some women.

So much for inclusion.

SaffronSpice · 06/10/2023 16:59

If they want to exclude the possibility of even a ‘chemical’ pregnancy they need to be more specific: ‘if you are a woman, have you ever had sex with a man?’

Justgivemehotchocolate · 06/10/2023 16:56

ImJustMadAboutSaffron · 06/10/2023 16:24

I wouldn't say it is relevant, it is an immunology study.

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If it’s an immunology study, pregnancy might be relevant, just google “immunology pregnancy”

Chersfrozenface · 06/10/2023 16:56

JanesLittleGirl · 06/10/2023 16:48

I'm obviously guessing but could they be looking for that sub-set of women who have menstruated? It might be relevant in an immunology study. Of course, they could have asked the direct question if that's what they are looking for.

But women can have regular periods and still not be able to get pregnant - they wouldn:t know that until they tried though.

BillyOwen · 06/10/2023 16:48

So no virgins then?

JanesLittleGirl · 06/10/2023 16:48

I'm obviously guessing but could they be looking for that sub-set of women who have menstruated? It might be relevant in an immunology study. Of course, they could have asked the direct question if that's what they are looking for.

SaffronSpice · 06/10/2023 16:43

I suppose if they are excluding immune responses from pregnancy then you might want to exclude anyone who could have become pregnant to exclude unknown early miscarriages? But even then women who have never been pregnant might assume they couldn’t.

nettie434 · 06/10/2023 16:41

I assume it means women but women who have never been pregnant wouldn't know whether they are excluded or not.

SaffronSpice · 06/10/2023 16:40

Or religious women who have remained celibate

SaffronSpice · 06/10/2023 16:39

So not lesbians then?

(Unless they have actively sought to, which is a bit different )

JellySaurus · 06/10/2023 16:37

I suspect that it would be quite important to know the sex of volunteers in an immunology study. Of course it is a convoluted way of saying 'adult women'.

AllProperTeaIsTheft · 06/10/2023 16:33

Wow - the contortions people have to perform in order to avoid having to say the word 'woman'!

ferretface · 06/10/2023 16:31

Totally bizarre question, I would assume I'm not eligible for the study as a woman who has never become pregnant and therefore doesn't know whether I am or have been able to do so.

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ImJustMadAboutSaffron · 06/10/2023 16:26

viques · 06/10/2023 16:23

are you volunteering to be a surrogate?🙂

No!

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