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Rishi is a bully because he says 'a man is a man'

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IcakethereforeIam · 06/10/2023 15:51

Didn't know the Deputy Prime Minister of Belgium was a marginalised and vulnerable transwoman. Green Party of course. Telegraph article, archive link.

https://archive.ph/89zWq

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IcakethereforeIam · 08/10/2023 11:11

Also, it's a bit rich coming from someone who, at the very least, is on the same side of the tras to call anyone a 'bully". The hypocrisy is breathtaking.

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IcakethereforeIam · 08/10/2023 11:09

@literalviolence completely agree, which us why I put 'tried'. And a gynaecologist who must be absolutely aware of the inadequacies of his...?imitation.

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FrancescaContini · 08/10/2023 10:05

I like that: “Life’s tough, get a helmet, man (or woman)” 😊

YouJustDoYou · 08/10/2023 09:48

I love the Candace Owens clip where a multi-hued haired woman stands up to ask a question, and Candace in a tone that just screams sarcasm (because she can just TELL this is a trans-ally by the hair colour), "hello", and the woman asks, "what do you have to say to all the trans students on this campus who actively feel victimised by your presence here today?" and Candace replies wryly, "Life's tough, get a helmet man. I'm too pregnant for this today. Next question", and everyone in the audience claps, whistles and CHEERS. Ah, I love that clip.

FrancescaContini · 08/10/2023 09:43

Absolutely, @Boiledbeetle

literalviolence · 08/10/2023 08:18

IcakethereforeIam · 08/10/2023 02:15

I just wanted to put 'a GP' and see if MN would notice 😁

And also, if an, I presume, extremely qualified man who thinks of himself as a woman, who could have gone into any branch of medicine but choses to go into the area that deals with intimate female anatomy? That he then tried to have replicated on himself. It does make me feel a little queasy. Not because of his gender but because of the specific circumstances.

I'm sure he was an excellent doctor. I bet there are many women whose lives were changed for the better by his treatment. I wish de Sutter well. But, yeah.

you can't replicate female genitalia. he just had a superficially similarly look. he doesn't have female genitalia because he's not female.

Boiledbeetle · 08/10/2023 08:08

Littlepinkstarsbyradish · 08/10/2023 01:24

I mean…… you can be gender critical but saying a qualified doctor “gives you the ick” because of their gender and you’re glad they don’t work is a bit much, no?

so many people are trying to show how being gender critical isn’t the same as transphobia, this comment doesn’t help the cause

And another thing..

I Didn't say i was glad he didn't work, I said I was glad he was no longer doing that particular job. It not as if he's penniless on the street corner now is it.

Any other field of medicine not a problem, if I've got a raging ear infection, if my left little toe is falling off, if I've just broken my arm rollerblading, It's not an issue, he can present how he likes, and I have no problem with him treating me.

It's specifically the gynacologist bit that gives me the ick.

he spent his medical working life in a field that 100% understands the difference in sexes. To do that and then go on "I'm a woman". How dare he! He of all people should know that that is bloody impossible.

So yes it gives me the Fucking ick!

IcakethereforeIam · 08/10/2023 02:15

I just wanted to put 'a GP' and see if MN would notice 😁

And also, if an, I presume, extremely qualified man who thinks of himself as a woman, who could have gone into any branch of medicine but choses to go into the area that deals with intimate female anatomy? That he then tried to have replicated on himself. It does make me feel a little queasy. Not because of his gender but because of the specific circumstances.

I'm sure he was an excellent doctor. I bet there are many women whose lives were changed for the better by his treatment. I wish de Sutter well. But, yeah.

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Marygoesround · 08/10/2023 01:59

🤔 wonder if Rishi is being hounded out of his job and receiving death/ rape threats as a result of his comments? Other people have done the ground work and paid a huge price then cowards come along to claim victory. Always the way.

Boiledbeetle · 08/10/2023 01:32

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Littlepinkstarsbyradish · 08/10/2023 01:24

Boiledbeetle · 08/10/2023 01:20

Very glad they are now no longer a gynaecologist. That line gave me the ick.

I mean…… you can be gender critical but saying a qualified doctor “gives you the ick” because of their gender and you’re glad they don’t work is a bit much, no?

so many people are trying to show how being gender critical isn’t the same as transphobia, this comment doesn’t help the cause

Boiledbeetle · 08/10/2023 01:20

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Very glad they are now no longer a gynaecologist. That line gave me the ick.

SageHoney · 07/10/2023 23:58

What though on hamely fare we dine,
Wear hoddin grey, an’ a that;
Gie fools their silks, and knaves their wine;
A Man’s a Man for a’ that...

Farewell, Rabbie Burns. You had a good run, but we regret to inform you that you have now been cancelled. (We're still going to celebrate Burns Night because there's alcohol, but henceforth your works will be attributed to Emma Watson.)

PaperWalkAndTalk · 07/10/2023 13:53

The reaction to his comments are sinister, and it's very similar to the outrage over JKR, say something moderate and sensible that no one can argue against and then attack them heavily.

It sends out a message to everyone else to keep quiet on the subject.

IcakethereforeIam · 06/10/2023 21:09

De Sutter might still be practising for all I know.

@NoddyNidder completely agree with you. Black might be one of these semi-mythical tw who 'just wants to pee' and who totally passes. But, they're holding the door for those that aren't and clearly thinks that'll never happen, or will happen anyway or whatever they tell themselves. If Jo ever occurs to them I suspect they think, at best, that she's brought it all on herself and she should have been kinder.

I didn't laugh, I didn't find it at all funny. Women were only mentioned when Sunak was quoted otherwise it was all about the trans.

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literalviolence · 06/10/2023 21:05

Any man who demands to be called a woman is a bully and a denier of women's lived experiences. So no, I don't care what de Sutter says because I think 'she' is a despicable human being who doesn't bother to check 'her' own privilege. De Sutter is just having a tantrum because someone is trying to put the brakes on De Sutter's disgusting demands.

Theeyeballsinthesky · 06/10/2023 20:41

Sutter was a gynaecologist??

😬🤮

NoddyNidder · 06/10/2023 20:38

IcakethereforeIam · 06/10/2023 18:40

Actually, the tw, Bethany Black, seemed to have a very feminine voice to me. They also seemed quite nice. From a quick Google they seemed to have had serious mental health issues in their early life. I wish 'em all the best.

I agree. I hope they have a peaceful and happy life. But I do not think the fact that they are or were vulnerable gives them a free pass from criticism.

This person is making their living with jokes about toilets and sport and women losing their jobs over pronouns.

Forgive me if I did not find that funny on the day when I saw a traumatised Jo Phoenix break down giving tearful evidence because she believes women should have their own toilets and sports and pronouns. And who as a teenager suffered the kind of traumas most of us only see in our worst nightmares

As ever the sensitivity and 'be kind' only seems to run one way.

PermanentTemporary · 06/10/2023 20:37

I thought the audience seemed very enthusiastic about Bethany Black's comments when I listened on the radio.... [now wondering if it was the same soundtrack] and I agree about their voice. Hope transition has made their life better.

WickedSerious · 06/10/2023 19:55

I hope Sunak tells him to fuck off.

IcakethereforeIam · 06/10/2023 18:49

I googled de Sutter and read an article of his about how girls are held back, I got serious cognitive dissonance. It was all about how gender stereotypes were rubbish. I..I..well..can he hear himself!?

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GCAcademic · 06/10/2023 18:41

I think we all know who the actual bullies are . . .

IcakethereforeIam · 06/10/2023 18:40

Actually, the tw, Bethany Black, seemed to have a very feminine voice to me. They also seemed quite nice. From a quick Google they seemed to have had serious mental health issues in their early life. I wish 'em all the best.

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NoddyNidder · 06/10/2023 18:25

It's on shortly. I must have a listen. Interesting move to put a TW comedian on a very 'talky' radio show as there are no visuals, only a voice and voices don't lie.

CrossPurposes · 06/10/2023 18:15

Bully is another word that appears to have had its meaning changed.

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