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How to lose friends and alienate people? Be openly GC

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ProfessorFlitwick · 06/10/2023 09:43

I have recently "come out" as GC to my friends, and I am sad by some of their responses. It turns out that for some of them, me thinking a woman is a biological female is an insurmountable hurdle to our friendship. I'm sad to see women who I know are intelligent just repeating the gender ideology dogma without being open to applying any critical thought to it.

Atheists and theists can respectfully debate the existence of God, and still be friends. They understand they are debating the wider concept of God, and not attacking each other personally or denying the other person's right to hold their view. GI supporters seem incapable of comprehending this way of debating something, any form of discussion is seen as a direct "attack" on the "existence of trans people" and must be immediately shut down. When I think of the types of people in history who try to silence or intimidate people who disagree with them, it doesn't bring up a great bunch of people.

Does anyone else want to vent about their experiences of navigating (or losing) friendships with GI supporters?

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ProfessorFlitwick · 06/10/2023 11:02

Lamelie · 06/10/2023 10:51

@literalviolence and @ProfessorFlitwick How old are your friends? Apart from one who has an obviously lesbian non binary child mine are all GC.
We’re mid 50s and left wing.

We are all 31 and left wing (group of 10, we met in school), three are firmly GI and don't have children; two can see both sides (one of them is pregnant and the other of muslim background) the rest are conveniently silent on the matter! We've been close friends for half our lives, I'd like it if we could respect each other's views and find common ground.

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TastesLikeStrawberriesOnASummerEvening · 06/10/2023 10:58

It happened to me too earlier this year, wasn't great at the time but it hasn't stopped me.
Lots of people did stick by me though and I've made new friends and met loads more people by going to events when I can, I'm meeting a woman from my small town for coffee next week and a long term online friend at LWS in November, plus I have a Terven night out next month.
I won't wheesht.

Lamelie · 06/10/2023 10:54

There is a definite dance sounding each other out before we rant through.
Work is another matter. Completely
captured. I have a dinosaur mug and no pronouns in my name. I’ve been sidelined as a nasty old bigot.

Swentree · 06/10/2023 10:52

literalviolence · 06/10/2023 10:49

Honestly I do wonder why you'd wantbto keep friends who are bigoted and unreflective. My friends mostly are GC. Some are on the fence and I can see think I'm a bit unhinged at times but they accept the evidence for what it is. I am not sure I'd want to stay friends if they were hostile to women's rights.

This.

If they don't support women they are worthless as friends, you're lucky you found out their true nature to be honest.

Lamelie · 06/10/2023 10:51

@literalviolence and @ProfessorFlitwick How old are your friends? Apart from one who has an obviously lesbian non binary child mine are all GC.
We’re mid 50s and left wing.

literalviolence · 06/10/2023 10:49

Honestly I do wonder why you'd wantbto keep friends who are bigoted and unreflective. My friends mostly are GC. Some are on the fence and I can see think I'm a bit unhinged at times but they accept the evidence for what it is. I am not sure I'd want to stay friends if they were hostile to women's rights.