Would you vote Tory if Kemi Badenoch was Tory the party leader and the election was tomorrow?

How do you know? Are you psychic?

Or Welsh….

How do you know? Are you psychic? Are you happy with the shit show status quo, rather than want to try something different?

How much misery are you going to let other people suffer before you think enough is enough?

No, because it'd be a cold day in hell before I voted Tory, and also, nothing good comes of that much self-satisfaction.

I am pretty sure we know Labour is a shit show too.

We might.

We might not. We might and might not have a Labour government. They might be awful, they might be great.

We know that the Tories are awful. We are living with the consequences of having them in government for 13 years and it's not easy. From the erosion of women's rights, to the economic damage of Austerity and Brexit. The lies, the law breaking, the complete disregard for women and children in policy making. The crazy increases in housing costs. The collapsing NHS and Education.

We know how incompetent, arrogant, divided and chaotic this Tory government are. We know how much damage they've done. And we know that they are still chaotic, corrupt and unstable.

Rishi Sunak's days are numbered.

Pretty much

Instead we'll have chaotic, shambolic, flipflopping, corrupt, lying, law breaking, lazy, ineffectual TRA-supporting Labour fuckwits.

Oh, Joy!

Oh, Rapture!

I’d be tempted. I’ve never voted Tory, but they are generally sane on the gender issue. And this is too important to drop down the priority list.

They'll be a change in government. No more of the chaotic, shambolic, flipflopping, corrupt, lying, law breaking, lazy, ineffectual Tory fuckwits we've had for 13 years.

That'll be a good enough change.

Yes.

And is Labour planning to do these things?

If people want to say that they will vote Labour because of particular policies, great, but what are the particular policies that Labour is saying they will have? Apart from generic made up things like halving violence against women (how?)

For the most part they are clear that they won't be changing much.

No. I wouldn't vote Tory at all now no matter who the party leader was. Especially not Kemi Badenoch though. She's our MP and she's awful.

I really can't fathom why so many people seem to like her so much. Do they never look beyond the end of their noses?

She's highly likely to get in here again though. It's a very safe Tory seat where you could hang the blue rosette on a donkey and then see it trotting into parliament.

i see Sunak has scrapped his No Fault evictions bill,

V disappointing that has been further delayed.

There is no sign, however, that Labour is considering anything so radical.

AlphaTranswoman, sadly, I agree, although they may surprise us.

Wealth tax not only possibility. Was reading various tax reliefs could be changed such as ensuring private equity firms are taxed on certain receipts as income rather than capital gains which is a lower rate. Labour have said they will probably do this at least.

I saw someone suggest the following too:

“A national property tax is ultimately what Labour should be pushing for. Unlike most wealth taxes there's lots of precedent for these working, it would be simpler to administer and more progressive than council tax, and could even encourage empty nesters to downsize quicker (or take on lodgers) so freeing up housing units. Rudimentary figures I've been able to work out are immense - a 1% annual property tax (which would be in line with what many US States do) would double the revenue we get from Council Tax. And whilst I get the unease at nationalising our only local tax, the uneven distribution of property wealth, really means that it shouldn't be linked to locality”.

Or this:

“It won't make a whole lot of difference to the overall tax take, but switching Council Tax over to a flat 0.5% of (current) property values would do a lot to make that system fairer. It would require a revaluation, and a law change to make sure subsequent revaluations actually happen, but would be perfectly doable. And yes well-paid editors and columnists would harrumph loudly and call it communism, but when most people realised their council tax bill was actually lower I suspect the fuss would die down.”

@Alstro

I'm sympathetic to the idea of some of the tax burden falling onto wealth holders rather than wage earners, particularly as the value of assets has been greatly inflated by recent policies and events.

The trouble is that any sort of asset based taxation tends to be hugely unpopular, particularly if it is a new tax that never existed before. They tried a wealth tax in France, and it was widely hated.

We might, however, be able to do something about the way National Insurance means wage earners pay a higher rate of tax than people earning income from investments, property etc. Consolidating income tax and NI into a single tax paid by on all income might be a possibility.

There is no sign, however, that Labour is considering anything so radical.

@Rudderneck, not true, Labour can’t do anything differently. Those with a lot of assets are continuing to benefit hugely from austerity, quantitative easing, inflated housing market and covid during last 15 years. Also the financial sector still have a lot of reliefs that advantage them such as private equity. Changes could be made so not only wage earners shoulder proportionally a larger share of government spending on vital services.

When did they take all the men out of women's prisons @Froodwithatowel?

At least in England there are no men with intact genitals and/or sexual or violent crimes (which is pretty much all of them) in women's prisons now. And the rough sex defence has been removed. And we're not about to all be arrested for saying a truth men don't want to hear and divert huge amounts of expensive resources to ego soothing as opposed to managing actual crime. Just to name a few.

The flip side is true too. If things were better in Wales and Scotland.. they are not.

In some cases worse. As in @SaffronSpice pp

Rent controls? Scottish rents rose by 13%, London by 12%, England exc London - 10% and they went up in Scotland because Landlords found a way around the law, not that rent controls are wrong in themselves, i see Sunak has scrapped his No Fault evictions bill, that will help tenants wont it?

Yes much of the issues in the UK are down to the Tories, you can cheery pick but the bottom line is the issues in Scotland/Wales are mirrored in England, i'd take more notice of your pro Tory views if things were better in England but they are not.
Your party of choice has been in for 13 years and have done zero absolutely nothing to limit men becoming "women" indeed they ve made it easier.

Its easy to say "all parties are the same" its just an attempt to make people stick with their traditional vote & paper over the Tories failures in every aspect of UK life.

The might as opposed to will is because, while we have been saved from diving down the ideologist route full throttle in the way Labour are voting in Scotland/doing in Wales/proposing from the shadow benches, they have not been committed enough about rowing back from where we are or addressing the problems with the captured civil service.

Because they finally seem to be listening. They stepped away from Self ID and put in the s35 to stop the GRR bill in Scotland. They voted against the GRR bill, they voted against the Hate Crimes bill. Their Ministers are making very direct announcements about it.

Yes

Why do you think the Tories might? They haven't bothered their arses over the past 13 years. They refuse to provide guidance for schools. Fuck they can't even safeguard their own from members of their party.

Exactly this

if women are going to vote for a gender captured party at least weigh up what you’ll get

There’s no extra funding, scrabbling around for ideological gimmicks do not count.