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Would you vote Tory if Kemi Badenoch was Tory the party leader and the election was tomorrow?

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lechiffre55 · 03/10/2023 13:39

Just curious to see what the answers here might be.
Would you vote Tory if Kemi Badenoch was the Tory party leader and the election was tomorrow?
Feel free to answer any way you like, and I don't care about derailing. The question is quite tongue in cheek, don't take it too seriously, and have fun with it if you want, rant if you want. I'm trying to get a picture of the MN mood.

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BethDuttonsTwin · 03/10/2023 16:25

FizzingAda · 03/10/2023 15:37

I'd cut my hands off before I'd vote Tory.

No you wouldn't 🙄

Saucery · 03/10/2023 16:24

RebelliousCow · 03/10/2023 16:19

That's a big call. There are many on the back benches and those without high profile who are good, honset people of integrity.

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Then those people need to be louder. Much, much louder. They are the traditional Tory types I used to vote for. If they want my vote again, they are going to have to do a bit more to steer the Conservative ship back in the right direction.

VWdieselnightmare · 03/10/2023 16:24

If voting Tory means that women's sex-based rights and spaces are protected and that other issues which have already or will profoundly affect women will see change — like adoption of the Nordic model for prostitution, a clampdown on sex trafficking, cracking down on internet porn and creating firm boundaries around surrogacy and the buy and selling of babies — then I would almost certainly do so. Because at that point the Tories would represent me better than Labour. So many prominent people in Labour have lied and continue lying. Why would I vote for people I know will swear black is white and vice versa?

JanesLittleGirl · 03/10/2023 16:24

enchantedsquirrelwood · 03/10/2023 16:05

This. She is going on about the EHCR and like other moronic Tories seems to have wilfully forgotten that we cannot leave the EHCR due to the Good Friday agreement.

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Please explain why the Good Friday Agreement prevents the UK from leaving the European Convention on Human Rights?

TooBigForMyBoots · 03/10/2023 16:24

RebelliousCow · 03/10/2023 16:15

What is your understanding of fascism?

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Being stripped of our human rights.

ILikeDungs · 03/10/2023 16:23

Gender ideology is bad, but fascism is worse.

And yet I see a lot of fascism in gender ideology. "Violent suppression of opposition, authoritarianism, stringent oppressive government controls, dictatorial mandates."

And not so much in Kemi B. Some people see "Tory" and immediately think "far right" but that is just nonsense. It is the shorthand of an unbalanced media that has influenced people to think that way, that's all. If you think we are currently governed by fascists then you don't know you're born.

RebelliousCow · 03/10/2023 16:21

Debenture · 03/10/2023 16:13

I didn’t mention Labour.

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Well, no other party is going to get elected.

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lechiffre55 · 03/10/2023 16:21

RebelliousCow · 03/10/2023 16:19

Honest

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RebelliousCow · 03/10/2023 16:19

Honest

RebelliousCow · 03/10/2023 16:19

Saucery · 03/10/2023 16:16

No, although I admire her, appreciate her stand on women’s rights and have voted Tory in the past. The rest of the party are, by and large, a shower of self serving shite, however and the sooner they are out the better.

That's a big call. There are many on the back benches and those without high profile who are good, honset people of integrity.

AutumnCrow · 03/10/2023 16:18

RebelliousCow · 03/10/2023 16:14

Probably because Kemi is one of the few MPs to have an actual grasp and depth of understanding of the conflict of interest between women's rights & child safeguarding and trans ideology.

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Yes, I'm fine with it being here. My answer is a definite 'No' to voting for the Tories, but Kemi Badenoch is one of the few Tory MPs who has faced off Tory nutjobs Penny Mordaunt and Caroline Nokes over the gender woowoo.

IsThePopeCatholic · 03/10/2023 16:18

No. I would never vote Tory.

RebelliousCow · 03/10/2023 16:17

RicePuddingLady · 03/10/2023 16:00

I agree with her gender critical views and I admire the way she has stood her ground on this issue, but I disagree with almost everything else she stands for.

She’s dreadful on race…and she’s a Tory.

Not a chance.

Which just goes to show that black people and Asian people are not a hive mind and have very differwnt perspectives. Not everyone buys into identity politics and the idea that identity groups must all think or behave in the same way.

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lechiffre55 · 03/10/2023 16:16

RebelliousCow · 03/10/2023 16:14

Probably because Kemi is one of the few MPs to have an actual grasp and depth of understanding of the conflict of interest between women's rights & child safeguarding and trans ideology.

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This.

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Saucery · 03/10/2023 16:16

No, although I admire her, appreciate her stand on women’s rights and have voted Tory in the past. The rest of the party are, by and large, a shower of self serving shite, however and the sooner they are out the better.

RebelliousCow · 03/10/2023 16:15

MadderthanMorris · 03/10/2023 16:08

No.

Gender ideology is bad, but fascism is worse.

What is your understanding of fascism?

RebelliousCow · 03/10/2023 16:14

Robbiesraft · 03/10/2023 16:10

And why is this on the Feminisim board?

Probably because Kemi is one of the few MPs to have an actual grasp and depth of understanding of the conflict of interest between women's rights & child safeguarding and trans ideology.

TheDogthatDug · 03/10/2023 16:14

I would never ever vote Tory even if they are the only sane party re gender woo.

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lechiffre55 · 03/10/2023 16:14

enchantedsquirrelwood · 03/10/2023 16:05

This. She is going on about the EHCR and like other moronic Tories seems to have wilfully forgotten that we cannot leave the EHCR due to the Good Friday agreement.

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You mean the ECHR?
The ECHR is the European Court of Human Rights.
The EHRC is the Equalities and Human Rights Comission.
They are two totally separate different organisations.
There is no such thing as the EHCR

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Debenture · 03/10/2023 16:13

RebelliousCow · 03/10/2023 14:35

I live in s solid Labour area and actually used to be in the Labour Party. I think you'll find most left wingers really hate Kier Starmer, Rachel Reeves..anyone they think is too 'right wing'....They don't expect much different from them, at all.
They will have to deal with the exact same issues and difficulties as we currently face with no more money. The most they will be able to do is tinker around the edges with nice sounding slogans and fine sentiments; and do the odd ideological thing like charge people 20% more in private school fees, and further the cause of trans ideology.

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I didn’t mention Labour.

RebelliousCow · 03/10/2023 16:13

dontbenastyhaveapasty · 03/10/2023 15:02

It seems you were too young to remember any of the complexity around the Iraq war - not least that the Conservative Party were very enthusiastic about it and would have taken the exact same decision to join the Americans’ lead.

I was one of the many thousands of ordinary people who marched against that war, but the fact it happened is in no way a reason to vote Tory.

Perhaps you were also too young to remember the utterly shit state of public services before Blair won the 1997 election? Or to notice what a massive positive difference things like Sure Start and decent funding of the NHS made to this country?

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I live in a city with a Labour administration which is so bad, wasteful, incompetent and corrupt that we've had government commisssioners in place for the last two years. Incompetence and corruption are not unique to any one party.

Of course Tony Blair was the one to derugulate the NHS and bring in elements of privatisation, including funding new hospitals with PFI's

ILikeDungs · 03/10/2023 16:10

Yes. Look at her unafraid to talk common sense. And not just now, but for ages she has spoken the truth about the issues with gender woo. I've seen her face Caroline Nokes, who was nasty and dismissive, with determination to get the truth out rather than win some underhand playground battle. I see her as a different sort of politician, which is something we really need right now.

Robbiesraft · 03/10/2023 16:10

And why is this on the Feminisim board?

RealityFan · 03/10/2023 16:10

enchantedsquirrelwood · 03/10/2023 16:05

This. She is going on about the EHCR and like other moronic Tories seems to have wilfully forgotten that we cannot leave the EHCR due to the Good Friday agreement.

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Its all posturing. Push come to shove, there will be no move to leave the ECHR, not even if Braverman gets the gig. There'll be no Net Zero referendum.

Robbiesraft · 03/10/2023 16:09

@BlessedKali WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY